From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93B191387FD for ; Wed, 2 Apr 2014 20:06:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id F2D2BE0DEC; Wed, 2 Apr 2014 20:05:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 09ECCE0DDF for ; Wed, 2 Apr 2014 20:05:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.49.160] (unknown [195.46.229.98]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: zerochaos) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id CC3B533FDC3 for ; Wed, 2 Apr 2014 20:05:52 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <533C6DF8.4060301@gentoo.org> Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2014 16:07:20 -0400 From: "Rick \"Zero_Chaos\" Farina" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.3.0 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] New virtuals for libudev and libgudev References: <5335EE26.1010606@gentoo.org> <53364874.9050603@gentoo.org> <53388280.4010105@gentoo.org> <53390215.80604@gentoo.org> <5339D180.2010309@gentoo.org> <533A5328.1000607@gentoo.org> <533AAFCF.9070600@gentoo.org> <20140401172803.219a51fe@gentoo.org> <533AE17C.3070605@gentoo.org> <20140401183844.6980c898@gentoo.org> <533BA773.10901@gentoo.org> In-Reply-To: <533BA773.10901@gentoo.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: 4cd5632a-86c7-4343-a587-8f13ccce56c5 X-Archives-Hash: 72d146241fbceb10f2f448d6c3f81b93 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 04/02/2014 02:00 AM, Samuli Suominen wrote: > > On 02/04/14 05:02, Matt Turner wrote: >> On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 9:38 AM, Tom Wijsman wrote: >>> Projects like the Council, ComRel and QA are there to protect Gentoo; >>> and yes, people are (or should be) lining up to protect Gentoo. >> ... from QA. >> >> You don't seem to understand what Samuli is saying. QA is being used >> as an offensive weapon. It's a stick to bludgeon others with. >> > > Exactly. > > Anyone remembers what happened the last time this was tried? > > The "QA" attempted to force developers who didn't care if removed > ebuilds are recorded in the ChangeLog or > not, even while there was no policy in place that said they should be > recorded there, and nothing was ever broken. > People simply had different workflows. > > The whole existing team died with that debacle. I don't expect it to go > exactly like that, this time, as the issue and > people involved are different, but the point is, nothing good came out > of it. > If the people who insisted they should be recorded there had been in a > productive fashion drive repoman to be > patched for --echangelog, or discuss other solutions, we could have > skipped the useless mudslinging. > > Force is not hardly ever the correct answer. It might work in a > workplace, but not when people are contributing > for free. > So forcing changes into the tree by stabilizing a bunch of new virtuals and adjusting all the rdeps to use them is fine, but forcing discussion is completely inappropriate? Wow, now that I can see it your way I agree, I'm a horrible person. I'll stick to randomly changing the tree as I see fit with no discussion since forced discussion is so wrong. - -Zero > - Samuli > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJTPG34AAoJEKXdFCfdEflKYpUP/1ULS1KEdi2756pxr5Ay8k/G NZJ4LKfXzlAbVOlbhf3splq5NvWEDrItlexXp2rt2QhGUQoNl+4p5gtwPp9j9QBW 8h2OKpveeIF3mxvUnnOyapbeA9PBVoSd5cnRyvATv1g7QqvtFps0+5D61Pl/F9ii PYVbVuWt/FD4kCmNDCNVuwBt9ZR0eBk70cy482JNzJuH9TTFh/c3kU0PqA2CTkNy VVGX62/dWPLjKrJjKLaiRaVEtN7DDFC5yKJJn0wxa2TSg5SvwzZVlotcOE/DTwJv qu0tkBnoPiMnWIV5OWxTBPIOXGRKRXUD6zB3YzPdBISyHGMFsa2KDaDy4/DxsQPX brRg3Rr7D3l/vApFezYyTIC/SGmpGes4muZpI64WlMJf0LciUjocEJSqdxO3SMzo 0umuNi5FymPHnNrRjZV6MEQ6ft1J8QS1r6OPlKefzYV808D/hPV66F15m4CtvraQ DvTWCIAMtKpiLwuvCYSy77u//cLX3F+iLep7U6ciDXRTS7ccLLIW2dZV3C8e8aCA 2fvefbd90AzWG3YByNxMSNvE9GsgKyCWfNe9ndnlpE3Wra/4ROy+dV1MdpOTbfmW 595yRKSlLxqtg4cBFy9kaaHr5fQG+YA0QisnR2Z894VMwYt2+HGa55raGnCJw+Zv oEguJmsrxTKkLOXliLma =rTHl -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----