From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87581138247 for ; Fri, 10 Jan 2014 12:41:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B95A6E0B8E; Fri, 10 Jan 2014 12:41:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-la0-f49.google.com (mail-la0-f49.google.com [209.85.215.49]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 90798E0B57 for ; Fri, 10 Jan 2014 12:41:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-la0-f49.google.com with SMTP id er20so3153311lab.36 for ; Fri, 10 Jan 2014 04:41:07 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:reply-to:message-id:to:subject:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=FvlmD9LajCRvfyKs4w+3OayweoOzxgHP3ttudaBdJII=; b=0TKTMdwdxTdjAp0KZLUNNPrQKBca8Ko2E2vrm3vAuFtbjke9TidavdJ1j7aBGax9xb Z1AIU/M2kJv8CGeIDB8Gn9v84p/m63kZXq0NVzVXAwCXi2v3jPzbDVp/YZVLV/rnVSIh k1ifoVGPTCLl2bhOaoHfg716VKLFJQf3OVqUmMEZMHKNSod4qwlQ6k3Wr1pwqWMHJLMY +Wr2t5I8FGpC/NvkuO5agJCb6QN1XA5MzpLegV84V7jrTH1qYzTp7PFBhfHNqpqxaN9J z/C7ffrZ0ydPSQx4zSULDglPzg4Ty6FEpazKBCMtCXfYWAyD6gXLPupI9k/gmj+KhDHM cq6Q== X-Received: by 10.112.180.37 with SMTP id dl5mr3465782lbc.58.1389357666984; Fri, 10 Jan 2014 04:41:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.60.64] (office.healtech.ru. [89.208.21.2]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id mv9sm3315438lbc.0.2014.01.10.04.41.05 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Fri, 10 Jan 2014 04:41:06 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2014 16:41:04 +0400 From: Igor X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <52cfea62.a9d2700a.4123.ffff9512@mx.google.com> To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Portage QOS In-Reply-To: <86mwj48ywb.fsf@moguhome00.in.awa.tohoku.ac.jp> References: <52ce4eab.463f700a.4b43.16bd@mx.google.com> <52ce9994.24f5980a.0660.342e@mx.google.com> <6345949.JsNcU8lWSX@cschwan-laptop> <52cebfa2.aa78980a.7a02.42e5@mx.google.com> <20140109165542.54b4da61@marga.jer-c2.orkz.net> <52ced05c.aa78980a.7a02.48ba@mx.google.com> <86mwj48ywb.fsf@moguhome00.in.awa.tohoku.ac.jp> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: c24bc3da-20dc-45a9-8a9d-28b87e5beadb X-Archives-Hash: 8ac0f3ea8dbfb474609d2f88b5388ff3 Hello Heroxbd, Friday, January 10, 2014, 4:27:00 AM, you wrote: > IMHO, the bleeding-edgeness and stability form a balance. We cannot > achieve both. Taking RHEL for example, it uses ancient software for the > sake of stability. Gentoo is way off the other extreme. > For the udev change, the upstream has been doing evil and eudev is not > introduced as the default for Gentoo (yet). > New software breaks things, and security-updated old software needs > extra care: That's the fundamental problem we couldn't circumvent. True, it's fundamentally impossible for Gentoo to get rid of all the problems with ebuilds. What I offer is to make the response and self-assessment on Gentoo changes automated and fast. Then it will be getting better by itself. The rate of experience Dev is attaining will jump several times up and the level drudgery will decrease in the same proportion. And it's perfectly in Gentoo style. This is the fastest penguin, erroneously married to a snake because the marriage looked easy from the first but now it's getting harder and harder. We have the Penguin but forgot to add neurons to his skin. He is poked but doesn't know about that and doesn't respond because he can't feel. -- Best regards, Igor mailto:lanthruster@gmail.com