[gentoo-dev] Thank you

[gentoo-dev] Thank you

[Darrell Wright]

I just wanted to say thank you.  After using Gentoo for a week, I have
refound the love for Linux I used to have with Slackware in the
Slackware 2 days.  I have been using RedHat until recently just because
when newer packages arrived, they were generally available for it
first.  I now have an up-to-date system with the added benefit of being
optimized.

I feel like I have been empowered.  I have complete control of my
system.

Thank you

Darrell Wright

[gentoo-dev] Thank you

[Canek Peláez Valdés]

Hi. TL;DR, this is basically just a THANK YOU to the Gentoo devs, so
you can go on your daily business if you don't want to read the rest
of it. No biggie.

I just want to say THANK YOU to all of our Gentoo developers. I've
been using Gentoo since ca. 2002 (damn, that's more than a decade),
and I've seen a lot of flamewars and bikeshedding on the -dev mailing
list.

However, you guys get the job done, and although there are some things
that I would like to have sooner (or would have liked to have
earlier), in the end the people working keep pushing the necessary
changes so the distribution keeps going, and (if so desired) using new
and interesting technologies.

More importantly, the developers and the bureaucratic structures they
have created don't get (too much) in the way of individual or small
groups of developers pushing for progress. In general at least; there
will be always someone resisting change, but in general Gentoo keeps
advancing, and the council and the other bureaucratic structures don't
punish people for just wanting to have more new and cool features in
the distribution.

I've never said Thank You to all our developers in all these years
using Gentoo, but after seeing the discussion the Debian CTTE is
having related to the default init they should use[1][2][3] (including
bureaucratic maneuvers, dilatory tactics, legalese interpretation of
their rulings, etc.), I think the time is long overdue for me to do
it.

Thank you for all the work you guys do and have done.
Thank you for not penalize progress.
Thank you for not being so rigid.
Thank you for keeping the distribution moving and evolving.
And finally, just thank you.

From a proud Gentoo+systemd+GNOME 3 user, thank you.

Regards.

[1] https://lists.debian.org/debian-ctte/2014/01/threads.html
[2] https://lists.debian.org/debian-ctte/2014/02/threads.html
[3] http://lwn.net/Articles/584227/#Comments
-- 
Canek Peláez Valdés
Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingeniería de la Computación
Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México

Re: [gentoo-dev] Thank you

[Tom Wijsman]

On Thu, 6 Feb 2014 00:30:10 -0600
Canek Peláez Valdés <caneko@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi. TL;DR, this is basically just a THANK YOU to the Gentoo devs, so
> you can go on your daily business if you don't want to read the rest
> of it. No biggie.

Hi.
 
> I just want to say THANK YOU to all of our Gentoo developers. I've
> been using Gentoo since ca. 2002 (damn, that's more than a decade),
> and I've seen a lot of flamewars and bikeshedding on the -dev mailing
> list.

Have you seen this one?
                 ,
              __  \o
  ..<=\   ___ |   |___ 
....<--o / v \\---/ v \
  ..<=/ |--*--|  |--*--|
         \_|_/    \_|_/

It's a bike with flames; or well, if you can make that out of it. You
can very well interpret it to be something else, maybe it looks like
glasses or so with something on the side, I'm fine with that too. Maybe
wearing this glasses would then make you be able to see the flames bike.

Isn't Gentoo all about flamewars (a flame thrower burns things fast;
we're wanting our system to be good at doing things fast, similar) and
bikeshedding (we all want things our own way, which makes Gentoo what
it is; a lot of possibilities giving you a lot of choice) anyway?

> However, you guys get the job done, and although there are some things
> that I would like to have sooner (or would have liked to have
> earlier), in the end the people working keep pushing the necessary
> changes so the distribution keeps going, and (if so desired) using new
> and interesting technologies.

Which things would you like to see sooner?

> More importantly, the developers and the bureaucratic structures they
> have created don't get (too much) in the way of individual or small
> groups of developers pushing for progress. In general at least; there
> will be always someone resisting change, but in general Gentoo keeps
> advancing, and the council and the other bureaucratic structures don't
> punish people for just wanting to have more new and cool features in
> the distribution.

It's a recipe for success I think; but we're not aiming for that as far
as I know, or maybe some do (*shhh* Don't tell anyone that I or we do.),
but as has came up once by someone, I think in the thread about
automatically collecting information (eg. build logs) from users,
Gentoo is there to just fulfill it for people whom have the need to it.

Realistically I don't see Gentoo become a large distribution; or at
least not by just doing what we're doing, however, we might see more
people become interested in it. Who knows one day everyone needs it?

> I've never said Thank You to all our developers in all these years
> using Gentoo,

Thank you too. :)

> but after seeing the discussion the Debian CTTE is having related to
> the default init they should use[1][2][3] (including bureaucratic
> maneuvers, dilatory tactics, legalese interpretation of their
> rulings, etc.), I think the time is long overdue for me to do it.

Well, this makes me wonder if it is useful to have a default at all;
probably it is, in the context of other distros. But for us, do we
really need a default? I highly doubt it; we have OpenRC as a default
because it simply is listed first, but how much does that really mean?

It has come up a small few times that it might be interesting to have a
systemd stage3 alongside the current OpenRC stage3; doing it this way,
the user could pick in advance which init sytem the user wants as
opposed to going through a painful migration to switch.

> Thank you for all the work you guys do and have done.
> Thank you for not penalize progress.
> Thank you for not being so rigid.
> Thank you for keeping the distribution moving and evolving.
> And finally, just thank you.
> 
> From a proud Gentoo+systemd+GNOME 3 user, thank you.

From a proud Gentoo+systemd+GNOME3 using developer, you're welcome.

-- 
With kind regards,

Tom Wijsman (TomWij)
Gentoo Developer

E-mail address  : TomWij@gentoo.org
GPG Public Key  : 6D34E57D
GPG Fingerprint : C165 AF18 AB4C 400B C3D2  ABF0 95B2 1FCD 6D34 E57D

Re: [gentoo-dev] Thank you

[Denis Dupeyron]

On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 11:30 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés <caneko@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi. TL;DR, this is basically just a THANK YOU to the Gentoo devs

This is totally unacceptable. I demand you take your thank-yous back.
Who do you think you are to thank us like this, even with valid
reasons? Good manners will not be tolerated on this mailing-list.

We have been trying very hard all these years to slack as much as
possible. Your public insinuations that any work gets done in Gentoo
are outright insulting. Since you have been using Gentoo for such a
long time, I dare you to try and become a developer to see if you can
compare to us.

A good day to you nonetheless, sir.

Denis.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Thank you

[Rick "Zero_Chaos" Farina]

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On 02/07/2014 06:00 PM, Denis Dupeyron wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 11:30 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés <caneko@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi. TL;DR, this is basically just a THANK YOU to the Gentoo devs
> 
> This is totally unacceptable. I demand you take your thank-yous back.
> Who do you think you are to thank us like this, even with valid
> reasons? Good manners will not be tolerated on this mailing-list.
> 
> We have been trying very hard all these years to slack as much as
> possible. Your public insinuations that any work gets done in Gentoo
> are outright insulting. Since you have been using Gentoo for such a
> long time, I dare you to try and become a developer to see if you can
> compare to us.
> 
> A good day to you nonetheless, sir.

I agree, quit thanking us and join the dark side. Together we can rule
the world as...well developer and developer I guess.

- -Zero
> 
> Denis.
> 
> 

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Thank you

[Richard Yao]

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Gentoo is very open to providing users with the option of using
new/different as long as they don't break existing things. I cannot say
that many of us like design decisions being taken in GNOME/systemd, but
as the long as the few interested in it do not interfere with existing
things, they are free to package it as they see fit.

On 02/06/2014 01:30 AM, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
> Hi. TL;DR, this is basically just a THANK YOU to the Gentoo devs, so
> you can go on your daily business if you don't want to read the rest
> of it. No biggie.
> 
> I just want to say THANK YOU to all of our Gentoo developers. I've
> been using Gentoo since ca. 2002 (damn, that's more than a decade),
> and I've seen a lot of flamewars and bikeshedding on the -dev mailing
> list.
> 
> However, you guys get the job done, and although there are some things
> that I would like to have sooner (or would have liked to have
> earlier), in the end the people working keep pushing the necessary
> changes so the distribution keeps going, and (if so desired) using new
> and interesting technologies.
> 
> More importantly, the developers and the bureaucratic structures they
> have created don't get (too much) in the way of individual or small
> groups of developers pushing for progress. In general at least; there
> will be always someone resisting change, but in general Gentoo keeps
> advancing, and the council and the other bureaucratic structures don't
> punish people for just wanting to have more new and cool features in
> the distribution.
> 
> I've never said Thank You to all our developers in all these years
> using Gentoo, but after seeing the discussion the Debian CTTE is
> having related to the default init they should use[1][2][3] (including
> bureaucratic maneuvers, dilatory tactics, legalese interpretation of
> their rulings, etc.), I think the time is long overdue for me to do
> it.
> 
> Thank you for all the work you guys do and have done.
> Thank you for not penalize progress.
> Thank you for not being so rigid.
> Thank you for keeping the distribution moving and evolving.
> And finally, just thank you.
> 
> From a proud Gentoo+systemd+GNOME 3 user, thank you.
> 
> Regards.
> 
> [1] https://lists.debian.org/debian-ctte/2014/01/threads.html
> [2] https://lists.debian.org/debian-ctte/2014/02/threads.html
> [3] http://lwn.net/Articles/584227/#Comments
> 



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Re: [gentoo-dev] Thank you

[Rich Freeman]

On Sun, Feb 9, 2014 at 1:23 PM, Richard Yao <ryao@gentoo.org> wrote:
> as the long as the few interested in it do not interfere with existing
> things, they are free to package it as they see fit.

Can we kindly refrain from starting another systemd flamewar in a
thread whose initial topic was thanking us for not letting the systemd
flamewars get out of hand?

As far as I can see the current compromises seem to be working fairly
well.  There is really no need to start drawing more lines in the
sand.  If at some point supporters of any particular design start
feeling limited by our current policies we can always revisit them.

Rich

Re: [gentoo-dev] Thank you

[Ultrabug]

On 02/06/2014 07:30 AM, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
> Hi. TL;DR, this is basically just a THANK YOU to the Gentoo devs, so
> you can go on your daily business if you don't want to read the rest
> of it. No biggie.
>
> Thank you for all the work you guys do and have done.
> Thank you for not penalize progress.
> Thank you for not being so rigid.
> Thank you for keeping the distribution moving and evolving.
> And finally, just thank you.
>

Thank you for your email mate, it's great to read such a positive one :)

>  From a proud Gentoo+systemd+GNOME 3 user, thank you.
>
> Regards.
>

Kindly

Re: [gentoo-dev] Thank you

[Sergey Popov]

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06.02.2014 10:30, Canek Peláez Valdés пишет:
> Hi. TL;DR, this is basically just a THANK YOU to the Gentoo devs

Thanks for your feedback - much appreciated!

-- 
Best regards, Sergey Popov
Gentoo developer
Gentoo Desktop Effects project lead
Gentoo Qt project lead
Gentoo Proxy maintainers project lead


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[gentoo-dev] Re: Thank you

[Duncan]

Canek Peláez Valdés posted on Thu, 06 Feb 2014 00:30:10 -0600 as
excerpted:

>  TL;DR, this is basically just a THANK YOU to the Gentoo devs, so
> you can go on your daily business if you don't want to read the rest of
> it. No biggie.

Along these same lines...

Who helps your Linux distribution run smoothly?  Thank a packager today

http://opensource.com/business/14/2/thank-a-linux-packager-today

Quoting...

In many cases, the process of packaging uncovers issues with the package 
that require the upstream developers to make changes and adjustments. A 
packager also works in close coordination with other packagers in the 
same Linux distribution because many packages have dependencies on other 
packages or provide services for other packages, making it vital that the 
community of packagers coordinate their updates to ensure the consistency 
of the final Linux distribution.

As Linux users, it is often easy to forget (disregard?) how much work 
goes into the creation and maintenance of a Linux distribution. [...]

After having learned the ropes of Linux packaging, and having seen first 
hand the dedication of this community, I developed a great deal of 
respect and appreciation for their work. Now, every time I install a 
package [...] I pause and think:

"Thank you to the person who spent many hours configuring and building 
this application so that I didn’t have to."

End quote.

So here I am. Thanks! =:^)

-- 
Duncan - List replies preferred.   No HTML msgs.
"Every nonfree program has a lord, a master --
and if you use the program, he is your master."  Richard Stallman