From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 301CD138247 for ; Tue, 21 Jan 2014 23:21:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 53134E11F9; Tue, 21 Jan 2014 23:21:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 34B1BE1172 for ; Tue, 21 Jan 2014 23:20:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.4.5] (blfd-4d08206c.pool.mediaWays.net [77.8.32.108]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: hasufell) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id D286A33F887 for ; Tue, 21 Jan 2014 23:20:57 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <52DF00D6.8060205@gentoo.org> Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2014 00:20:54 +0100 From: hasufell User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.2.0 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: formally allow qa to suspend commit rights References: <20140119050224.GA7898@laptop.home> <20140120035446.063a31be@TOMWIJ-GENTOO> <52DD2E2A.2020303@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <52DD2E2A.2020303@gmail.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: f8b9fe25-58cb-4fc1-9b4c-ba4644f88951 X-Archives-Hash: 8d2e5961df820dcffce617d3124b6e8e -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 01/20/2014 03:09 PM, Alan McKinnon wrote: > On 01/20/14 15:59, Rich Freeman wrote: >> On Sun, Jan 19, 2014 at 9:54 PM, Tom Wijsman >> wrote: >>> #gentoo-qa | @hwoarang: pretty sure diego had the powerzz to >>> suspend people >>> >>> Whether this has actually happened is something that is >>> questionable; >> >> Not that this necessarily needs to make it into the GLEP, and >> I'm still on the fence regarding whether we really need to make >> this change at all, but things like access suspensions and other >> administrative/disciplinary procedures should be documented. I >> think whether this is a matter of public record or not is open to >> debate, but I don't like the fact that we can really say for sure >> when/if this has actually happened. > > > Speaking as someone who had this power in his day job, for QA to be > able to suspend accounts is a very bad idea indeed. It always ends > badly. I suspended 20+ accounts in my current job over the years > and the number of cases where it was the right thing to do is > precisely 0. > > It was always a case of ill-advised action taken out of > frustration, or bypass the training step, or don't try hard enough > to reach the "infringer" and communicate like grown adults. Yup, I > did all three. > > Suspending an account is a very serious thing to undertake, the > effects on the suspended person are vast and this power should > never lie with the person who is feeling the pain. Instead, there > are well established channels to the body who can make the > decision. If QA has a problem with a dev for any reason whatsoever, > then QA should make a well-thought out case to that other body for > decision. Anything else is madness and open invitation for it to > all go south. > > Yep. This proposal is actually another workaround that emerges, because people do not communicate and ignore each other. This is a common habit in the gentoo dev community and it seems we have accepted that fact. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJS3wDWAAoJEFpvPKfnPDWzPYYH/A87fN34q1ShBhPvIh2uqP1K UogA7se08pol0abNpDenYM2qDcTxYWXRPgYS7xXcrjh1bbhDmI+/0zuW7vd8/AWh V20TffIkMHr1hMWyFKysFD6VKZC8DYr8fCGkgEfTRAjv1mdGFvfX+k1cqUZ+VtKB bNPiH5Op7EOqpBp/5oz/CmGNFB8nPPEsDRrUbkE/hBPO3JfufBVHdDnmgJg9s0Og Yd5dS55wQTTX7mbLDL4LePDF5pEtM9LnGc2uLgvDrepyX0Z2rio8aNnn/UI0IrY2 p7gkpMK9aA8vSixuvz3qpQbDs0julAswv5ZjTNgu237nukp1yiJGcAwjCDrCRl0= =HdSb -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----