From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B04FC138247 for ; Mon, 20 Jan 2014 14:10:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C8124E0F30; Mon, 20 Jan 2014 14:09:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-we0-f182.google.com (mail-we0-f182.google.com [74.125.82.182]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C9627E0EF9 for ; Mon, 20 Jan 2014 14:09:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-we0-f182.google.com with SMTP id w62so7059542wes.27 for ; Mon, 20 Jan 2014 06:09:53 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=R5Cz21m/9CMxHrRs8aaJKc93g/Ef3vF53Z1L495VGKs=; b=PWPpo0ukVT/qlGgiVg+KWn84iFNMM3tqj3QxINZnaV64XFCqB7mEUblBS8MzLclO1g EM7ZbSG5C1w7QTZFAHHBxkkz6aAnTTrUHLifwgu//Haati8A+5M9RtwC4UKNOiUzE1Qc EdlOdn/IDF4pUUdzpth256NCE6K9Pacc+DLhkMIbIEkSY3Q7zjwcOacNq7NzlUB2AJ6h c4B+mNPRvqy4HaFySaT7eRWoxVGmOzv1Md6PBa94WSnJ6uDrv67+Mm1ziVAqc5QA0qqr OvsMy2vPnk28V1ShiGz7v3Do/pCiCoLL37CyOLn8d+AvX8xgnUhf5x57jHSjrrGJATLi WGyA== X-Received: by 10.194.2.70 with SMTP id 6mr14446146wjs.25.1390226993305; Mon, 20 Jan 2014 06:09:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from [172.20.0.54] (196-210-244-37.dynamic.isadsl.co.za. [196.210.244.37]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id w1sm25693615wix.1.2014.01.20.06.09.51 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 20 Jan 2014 06:09:52 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <52DD2E2A.2020303@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2014 16:09:46 +0200 From: Alan McKinnon User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.2.0 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: formally allow qa to suspend commit rights References: <20140119050224.GA7898@laptop.home> <20140120035446.063a31be@TOMWIJ-GENTOO> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: 3f9e9834-581b-4b0d-a167-d8c1d6acc733 X-Archives-Hash: 5224271b905a14d989442142a35696fa On 01/20/14 15:59, Rich Freeman wrote: > On Sun, Jan 19, 2014 at 9:54 PM, Tom Wijsman wrote: >> #gentoo-qa | @hwoarang: pretty sure diego had the powerzz to suspend >> people >> >> Whether this has actually happened is something that is questionable; > > Not that this necessarily needs to make it into the GLEP, and I'm > still on the fence regarding whether we really need to make this > change at all, but things like access suspensions and other > administrative/disciplinary procedures should be documented. I think > whether this is a matter of public record or not is open to debate, > but I don't like the fact that we can really say for sure when/if this > has actually happened. Speaking as someone who had this power in his day job, for QA to be able to suspend accounts is a very bad idea indeed. It always ends badly. I suspended 20+ accounts in my current job over the years and the number of cases where it was the right thing to do is precisely 0. It was always a case of ill-advised action taken out of frustration, or bypass the training step, or don't try hard enough to reach the "infringer" and communicate like grown adults. Yup, I did all three. Suspending an account is a very serious thing to undertake, the effects on the suspended person are vast and this power should never lie with the person who is feeling the pain. Instead, there are well established channels to the body who can make the decision. If QA has a problem with a dev for any reason whatsoever, then QA should make a well-thought out case to that other body for decision. Anything else is madness and open invitation for it to all go south. -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckinnon@gmail.com