From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4710A138247 for ; Thu, 16 Jan 2014 18:04:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 2B378E0C2E; Thu, 16 Jan 2014 18:04:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ee0-f41.google.com (mail-ee0-f41.google.com [74.125.83.41]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 230EBE0BF9 for ; Thu, 16 Jan 2014 18:04:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ee0-f41.google.com with SMTP id e49so1683843eek.14 for ; Thu, 16 Jan 2014 10:04:42 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=c/gmICYprVPCoZDpx0VoVGHOQrNetzwxmlY8HhNHDfM=; b=ps4LBMyk3Z5nwjfOzXZ1mVR0J+Ulr/j4pb6QFnzNxOrq5mKpU6nYWUgvu9a/NRtq5s lCnf+UxkcgZ3+ziDdZbYOzPeKGRatjQ2TnLVZlsn6raHyFE2n/RjEeJZ+n/ocB1+EbY7 3lm+t3+OpGH+w27T3ati39YwTyReEAZsSiouSnfQkEK/cxwDAm7tGEIPKHS2CzOhh8Ga 5/Md6aiFTS8uRksq3NYm1TIMgXZxdVda1zEAcM50YObGkVxRUmx/48dqGfkyY6fIqJT4 AvBLh8X/y8lmqG6CRCY9fs/Rmm0r8zcmUXvrVleArRfWZbqxcCwCEbeCLgsvYrDE8FJT zX0A== X-Received: by 10.14.108.6 with SMTP id p6mr13792300eeg.31.1389895482728; Thu, 16 Jan 2014 10:04:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from [172.20.0.41] (196-210-126-57.dynamic.isadsl.co.za. [196.210.126.57]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id 7sm20142802eee.12.2014.01.16.10.04.40 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 16 Jan 2014 10:04:42 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <52D81F1F.7050406@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2014 20:04:15 +0200 From: Alan McKinnon User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.2.0 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: revisiting our stabilization policy References: <20140114213719.GA2684@laptop.home> <20140115004928.1fae6bf9@TOMWIJ-GENTOO> <52D673A4.2080508@gentoo.org> <20140115180405.1cd06453@TOMWIJ-GENTOO> <52D77A35.8080509@gentoo.org> <20140116155407.13492.qmail@stuge.se> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: 304442d1-a301-4c0e-9fe9-e1a9d2fc8c90 X-Archives-Hash: a6feac6ebdb21fa4cd3d80f02159d4de On 16/01/2014 19:56, Rich Freeman wrote: > On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 10:54 AM, Peter Stuge wrote: >> Sergey Popov wrote: >>> As i said earlier, problem begins when we NEED to stabilize >>> something to prevent breakages and arch teams are slow. >> >> Isn't that simply a matter of assigning and respecting priority on >> bugs properly? > > Are you suggesting that we should forbid people from working on > lower-priority bugs anytime a higher-priority bug exists? That would > probably just reduce the amount of contribution. You can't force > anybody to work on the higher-priority ones. > > Sure, in an ideal world people work on the high-priority stuff. > However, often somebody either prefers to work on a lower-priority > bug, or finds it easier to do so. Simply marking a bug as > high-priority doesn't make the bug get resolved. > > Bottom line is that people work on what they work on. Unless you can > find people to work on the stuff that you want done you need to make > work go away. +1 "Respecting bug priority" feels like that corporate BS I have to put up with every day. Like every sysadmin team world-wide, we're understaffed so the only bugs that get any attention at all are ones where some fool of a manager thinks he can shout louder than anyone else. Gentoo is not like that. As you say, devs will work on what they feel like working on, heavily influenced by their own sense of responsibility. We have nothing to offer maintainers except fuzzy-feel-good and recognition; we have to trust them to do the right thing. -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckinnon@gmail.com