From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 339E9138247 for ; Wed, 18 Dec 2013 04:24:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 40A41E0B5B; Wed, 18 Dec 2013 04:23:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 421AFE0B55 for ; Wed, 18 Dec 2013 04:22:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.43.102] (mobile-166-137-187-015.mycingular.net [166.137.187.15]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: zerochaos) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 21FC433F5A1 for ; Wed, 18 Dec 2013 04:22:54 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <52AF81A4.1030206@gentoo.org> Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2013 17:41:40 -0500 From: "Rick \"Zero_Chaos\" Farina" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.1.1 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] openrc 0.12 - netifrc/newnet mix-up References: <529CFAA1.7080608@gentoo.org> <20131203211130.GA31972@linux1> <52A2B788.3040409@gentoo.org> <20131208222552.GA22567@linux1> <52A5D89A.4080506@gentoo.org> <52A62062.9030109@gentoo.org> <20131211025755.GA23458@linux1> <20131214172410.GD5364@server> <20131215005950.GA27896@linux1> In-Reply-To: <20131215005950.GA27896@linux1> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: 16c036fa-970e-4552-9dba-981c0b8653c4 X-Archives-Hash: 7056ae1f43109589cde1bbfc12182668 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 12/14/2013 07:59 PM, William Hubbs wrote: > You make some good points. I'll answer your questions as best as I can, > but we can consider this thread closed. I will not try to put the > virtual in, but I will come back to the list soon and start another > thread. > > In a nutshell, our networking is a beast, and we should try to simplify > it some how imo. I'll write out my thoughts about that when I start the > other thread. > > > On Sat, Dec 14, 2013 at 11:24:10AM -0600, mingdao wrote: >> (1) What is "the new network stack" provided by the newnet USE flag? > > That consists of the network and staticroute scripts which are part of > OpenRC. The network script sets up interfaces and configures static > addresses only; it will allow you to run any command at any point in the > process of doing this. What some people on Gentoo do not like about it > is it is all or nothing. You can't start/stop/depend on a single > interface. > > The staticroute script is used to configure multiple static routes once > the network script has set up the static addresses. > >> (2) Why is dhcpcd referred to as a "network manager" in the same context as >> wicd, networkmanager, connman, etc? In the sense that dhcpcd is not sufficient >> for security protected wireless alone, as is, say, wicd; and is not a >> replacement for true "network manager" apps. DHCP client != network manager >> app > > This is a good point, so I will drop putting dhcpcd on the list. So wait, who makes the call now? dhcpcd is totally a network manager for a lot of people who don't need wifi. It has init scripts and everything.... - -Zero > >> (3) Is udhcpc provided by busybox not sufficient in lieu of dhcpcd for stage3? > > I think udhcpc is what you get in stage 3; if dhcpcd is there, I have no > idea how it is getting there. > > William > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJSr4GkAAoJEKXdFCfdEflKoacP/3SvAZCABR0uJnZtE5Om4ZLx qnT0Tmdh9asrSQZdfLykYVms8WXkmfG7S/C2O+acWxaTSHP5oNp1KrWufketuKob i+CS9PjnF/EsRyj1Xw/XmYUfOKzrOeob+ePS3iYIw+y8kegQp0A12O60jJhVEAtQ 0aK59HhOZtDPvdA0A2c8X3Ar1LEFy/TbuCB7wO7BhfMlNZMr86cdy2xVSGcZfAaT ri9B0qvK22L1HckN21nPbA7e9tM5DB9nio02YuB54Yng0Z2dS4wL5pdniftrIlMd ah3svtRozXcd3VyRJAu26ONKWzQCrUeqZN6qR/x5JSJBjElHbyN1ah0wMvhyujIV QfTyukokIEiSJSgGw5B5IhmnwBVXNVzZHVI5J7LwGOGzR1iNM3QIwuH54Ws7PLvs 62G4m+Lybl+tqkVOv/BZ8/xY1JxHARJYFIthjlRtQQyG6/aaFIxpbGmzso65gMyK 9Q9kSj3dppG9wAzrhEfQ17qEwfqfX1JhvBrPJdJxSIfHiiVS8kDBSXT5cWmA1GWG JVek8SBMCr92STEzfBd8vNE5UCcvrl5RO3uu1xZBIgK+gCNJEnbTKET5EHbuZrRJ 4s0JEDuXMGM82AaQC5O4DEpUH0d48O/IzmXey9UyExV3Vsu1BlIoOV7NFCfXX6Pd k44DP5R36SmSSsY3MYI8 =hl2B -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----