[gentoo-dev] About pam herd status

[gentoo-dev] About pam herd status

[Pacho Ramos]

Hello

Is pam team still active? I wonder about this as, recently, we have
needed to go ahead and fix some bugs related, for example, with pambase
and pam_ssh

Thanks for the info :)

[gentoo-dev] Re: About pam herd status

[Diego Elio Pettenò]

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I stopped caring about pambase when people decided to break it.

I'm still officially pam herd as maintainer of Linux-PAM, pam_ssh I don't
use and care very little about.


Diego Elio Pettenò — Flameeyes
flameeyes@flameeyes.eu — http://blog.flameeyes.eu/


On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 2:20 PM, Pacho Ramos <pacho@gentoo.org> wrote:

> Hello
>
> Is pam team still active? I wonder about this as, recently, we have
> needed to go ahead and fix some bugs related, for example, with pambase
> and pam_ssh
>
> Thanks for the info :)
>
>

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: About pam herd status

[Andreas K. Huettel]

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Am Montag 09 Dezember 2013, 14:21:17 schrieb Diego Elio Pettenò:
> I stopped caring about pambase when people decided to break it.
> 

link please?

-- 
Andreas K. Huettel
Gentoo Linux developer
kde, council

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: About pam herd status

[Markos Chandras]

On 12/09/2013 02:21 PM, Diego Elio Pettenò wrote:
> I stopped caring about pambase when people decided to break it.
> 
> I'm still officially pam herd as maintainer of Linux-PAM, pam_ssh I don't
> use and care very little about.
> 
> 
> Diego Elio Pettenò — Flameeyes
> flameeyes@flameeyes.eu — http://blog.flameeyes.eu/
> 
> 
> On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 2:20 PM, Pacho Ramos <pacho@gentoo.org> wrote:
> 
>> Hello
>>
>> Is pam team still active? I wonder about this as, recently, we have
>> needed to go ahead and fix some bugs related, for example, with pambase
>> and pam_ssh
>>
>> Thanks for the info :)
>>
>>
> 

So I guess it's time to call for maintainers or we should consider
merging this herd with another one (base?) to avoid unattended bugs for
a long time.

-- 
Regards,
Markos Chandras

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: About pam herd status

[Mike Frysinger]

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On Monday 09 December 2013 16:32:09 Markos Chandras wrote:
> On 12/09/2013 02:21 PM, Diego Elio Pettenò wrote:
> > On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 2:20 PM, Pacho Ramos <pacho@gentoo.org> wrote:
> >> Hello
> >> 
> >> Is pam team still active? I wonder about this as, recently, we have
> >> needed to go ahead and fix some bugs related, for example, with pambase
> >> and pam_ssh
> >> 
> >> Thanks for the info :)
> 
> So I guess it's time to call for maintainers or we should consider
> merging this herd with another one (base?) to avoid unattended bugs for
> a long time.

well, the sep herd was kind of by design ... i didn't want it cluttering up 
base-system@ and it is super convenient to abdicate all PAM decisions to a 
single herd.
-mike

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: About pam herd status

[Markos Chandras]

On 01/09/2014 08:20 PM, Mike Frysinger wrote:
> On Monday 09 December 2013 16:32:09 Markos Chandras wrote:
>> On 12/09/2013 02:21 PM, Diego Elio Pettenò wrote:
>>> On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 2:20 PM, Pacho Ramos <pacho@gentoo.org> wrote:
>>>> Hello
>>>>
>>>> Is pam team still active? I wonder about this as, recently, we have
>>>> needed to go ahead and fix some bugs related, for example, with pambase
>>>> and pam_ssh
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for the info :)
>>
>> So I guess it's time to call for maintainers or we should consider
>> merging this herd with another one (base?) to avoid unattended bugs for
>> a long time.
> 
> well, the sep herd was kind of by design ... i didn't want it cluttering up 
> base-system@ and it is super convenient to abdicate all PAM decisions to a 
> single herd.
> -mike
> 
I understand that but if nobody is tracking pam@ then what's the point?

-- 
Regards,
Markos Chandras

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: About pam herd status

[Diego Elio Pettenò]

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On 9 January 2014 20:20, Mike Frysinger <vapier@gentoo.org> wrote:

>
> well, the sep herd was kind of by design ... i didn't want it cluttering up
> base-system@ and it is super convenient to abdicate all PAM decisions to a
> single herd.


Yeah the problem has been that the herd has been fundamentally a single
person, and when said single person asked for the rest of the users
of/providers for PAM to accentrate on a single package, they ignored/worked
around problems instead of reporting/discussing them.

Diego Elio Pettenò — Flameeyes
flameeyes@flameeyes.eu — http://blog.flameeyes.eu/

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: About pam herd status

[Mike Frysinger]

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On Thursday 09 January 2014 15:24:00 Diego Elio Pettenò wrote:
> On 9 January 2014 20:20, Mike Frysinger <vapier@gentoo.org> wrote:
> > well, the sep herd was kind of by design ... i didn't want it cluttering
> > up base-system@ and it is super convenient to abdicate all PAM decisions
> > to a single herd.
> 
> Yeah the problem has been that the herd has been fundamentally a single
> person, and when said single person asked for the rest of the users
> of/providers for PAM to accentrate on a single package, they ignored/worked
> around problems instead of reporting/discussing them.

how would moving it to base-system make any difference ?  people doing it wrong 
wouldn't really care which herd pam itself is owned by.
-mike

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: About pam herd status

[Diego Elio Pettenò]

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On 10 January 2014 22:20, Mike Frysinger <vapier@gentoo.org> wrote:

> how would moving it to base-system make any difference ?  people doing it
> wrong
> wouldn't really care which herd pam itself is owned by.
>

I'm not saying it makes a difference, sorry I didn't make it clear.


Diego Elio Pettenò — Flameeyes
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: About pam herd status

[Markos Chandras]

On 01/10/2014 11:14 PM, Diego Elio Pettenò wrote:
> On 10 January 2014 22:20, Mike Frysinger <vapier@gentoo.org> wrote:
> 
>> how would moving it to base-system make any difference ?  people doing it
>> wrong
>> wouldn't really care which herd pam itself is owned by.
>>
> 
> I'm not saying it makes a difference, sorry I didn't make it clear.
> 
> 
> Diego Elio Pettenò — Flameeyes
> flameeyes@flameeyes.eu — http://blog.flameeyes.eu/
> 
I only suggested that as part of our usual 'drop-dead-teams' process in
the retirement team. So in this case, either a 'parent' herd needs to
inherit the packages or simply drop them to maintainer-needed

-- 
Regards,
Markos Chandras

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: About pam herd status

[Pacho Ramos]

El sáb, 11-01-2014 a las 10:57 +0000, Markos Chandras escribió:
> On 01/10/2014 11:14 PM, Diego Elio Pettenò wrote:
> > On 10 January 2014 22:20, Mike Frysinger <vapier@gentoo.org> wrote:
> > 
> >> how would moving it to base-system make any difference ?  people doing it
> >> wrong
> >> wouldn't really care which herd pam itself is owned by.
> >>
> > 
> > I'm not saying it makes a difference, sorry I didn't make it clear.
> > 
> > 
> > Diego Elio Pettenò — Flameeyes
> > flameeyes@flameeyes.eu — http://blog.flameeyes.eu/
> > 
> I only suggested that as part of our usual 'drop-dead-teams' process in
> the retirement team. So in this case, either a 'parent' herd needs to
> inherit the packages or simply drop them to maintainer-needed
> 
sys-auth/pam-pgsql
sys-auth/pam_dotfile
sys-auth/pam_krb5
sys-auth/pam_ldap
sys-auth/pam_passwdqc
sys-auth/pam_ssh
sys-auth/pam_ssh_agent_auth
sys-auth/pambase
sys-libs/pam
virtual/pam

This are the packages under pam team management, would be nice to know
if there is somebody maintaining each of them or we need new maintainer
for any

Thanks

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: About pam herd status

[Diego Elio Pettenò]

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If we limit it to the virtual, pam and pambase, I'm happy to stick
maintaining them, the others I don't use, which is why I don't care about
them as much.

Diego Elio Pettenò — Flameeyes
flameeyes@flameeyes.eu — http://blog.flameeyes.eu/


On 11 January 2014 11:01, Pacho Ramos <pacho@gentoo.org> wrote:

> El sáb, 11-01-2014 a las 10:57 +0000, Markos Chandras escribió:
> > On 01/10/2014 11:14 PM, Diego Elio Pettenò wrote:
> > > On 10 January 2014 22:20, Mike Frysinger <vapier@gentoo.org> wrote:
> > >
> > >> how would moving it to base-system make any difference ?  people
> doing it
> > >> wrong
> > >> wouldn't really care which herd pam itself is owned by.
> > >>
> > >
> > > I'm not saying it makes a difference, sorry I didn't make it clear.
> > >
> > >
> > > Diego Elio Pettenò — Flameeyes
> > > flameeyes@flameeyes.eu — http://blog.flameeyes.eu/
> > >
> > I only suggested that as part of our usual 'drop-dead-teams' process in
> > the retirement team. So in this case, either a 'parent' herd needs to
> > inherit the packages or simply drop them to maintainer-needed
> >
> sys-auth/pam-pgsql
> sys-auth/pam_dotfile
> sys-auth/pam_krb5
> sys-auth/pam_ldap
> sys-auth/pam_passwdqc
> sys-auth/pam_ssh
> sys-auth/pam_ssh_agent_auth
> sys-auth/pambase
> sys-libs/pam
> virtual/pam
>
> This are the packages under pam team management, would be nice to know
> if there is somebody maintaining each of them or we need new maintainer
> for any
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
>

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: About pam herd status

[Markos Chandras]

On 01/11/2014 11:07 AM, Diego Elio Pettenò wrote:
> If we limit it to the virtual, pam and pambase, I'm happy to stick
> maintaining them, the others I don't use, which is why I don't care about
> them as much.
> 
> Diego Elio Pettenò — Flameeyes
> flameeyes@flameeyes.eu — http://blog.flameeyes.eu/
> 

Fine by me. We will drop the rest to m-n

-- 
Regards,
Markos Chandras

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: About pam herd status

[Pacho Ramos]

El sáb, 11-01-2014 a las 11:07 +0000, Diego Elio Pettenò escribió:
> If we limit it to the virtual, pam and pambase, I'm happy to stick
> maintaining them, the others I don't use, which is why I don't care
> about them as much.
> 
> Diego Elio Pettenò — Flameeyes
> flameeyes@flameeyes.eu — http://blog.flameeyes.eu/
> 
[...]
>         sys-auth/pam-pgsql
>         sys-auth/pam_dotfile
>         sys-auth/pam_krb5
>         sys-auth/pam_ldap
>         sys-auth/pam_passwdqc
>         sys-auth/pam_ssh
>         sys-auth/pam_ssh_agent_auth
[...]

OK, then, I would move this to maintainer-needed if nobody takes them in
a week or so