From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22B6D138247 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2013 14:21:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7C0E9E0B48; Sat, 7 Dec 2013 14:21:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8A4CEE0B38 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2013 14:21:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.13] (pool-72-95-221-222.pitbpa.fios.verizon.net [72.95.221.222]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: zerochaos) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4DE3D33F218 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2013 14:21:30 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <52A32F3F.2030209@gentoo.org> Date: Sat, 07 Dec 2013 09:22:55 -0500 From: "Rick \"Zero_Chaos\" Farina" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.1.1 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] openrc 0.12 - netifrc/newnet mix-up References: <20131201102015.GA1219@egeo> <20131202202845.GA8574@linux1> <529CF973.2020008@gentoo.org> <529CFAA1.7080608@gentoo.org> <20131203211130.GA31972@linux1> <52A2B788.3040409@gentoo.org> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: 4b272790-64b8-45ba-a5ad-92fbe16300d4 X-Archives-Hash: fbeec3a04ad5231f32852dade3e76387 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 12/07/2013 07:42 AM, Rich Freeman wrote: >> Honestly, I'm not really sure why anyone would want to make stage3 less >> functional than it already is but honestly net isn't something I'm ready >> to give up just yet. > > It isn't about making the stage3 less functional, but about giving the > user a choice. We don't stick a kernel in stage3, despite the fact > that everybody needs one. We don't stick an MTA in the stage3 despite > the fact that one of those is pretty hard to live without. > > Now that Gentoo apparently offers a wide selection of network > managers, perhaps it makes sense to have the user pick which one they > want to use. Choice is fine, I love choice, but to have a user unpack a stage tarball and find no way at all to handle their networking.... that's just ugly. I mean we could just have dhcpcd in @system and let people figure it out from there (wouldn't be my first choice but it would work) but I would say it is rare enough to not need net that removing all networking options from stage3 is near suicidal. I can do all kinds of amazing things on a system without an MTA. But if I have no net I can't even install net.... - -Zero -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJSoy8/AAoJEKXdFCfdEflK+a4P/056EtlWAr12QT7HdeoLhL2d +OQ2P53jd+fChB5NlrxKLot/+hvf+0PuJXkJU76hDBJ+1g9UkjSsYy1YGhPQ0rTU d5Ugqn0ZWIrON5QLx4CKH9XUjuN0jW2IlXXGpQApCrsBKv28vRM/oTi9jvC27IAP IdvD7QBUyN4L+K9z8cOWa1jckZahCrNrsWzgfoCDyJfDep+qeRXe0EbriHvXyfBm iT295qLUWjR1577bPRNwe7/H0tAe+yoexcJa/M3U4KiSX5qxlqwxr0aN6lFRNevj 1hB7xONTLa08sjx/NxzTID0zMoiZSlmkBLk/V3rj6uYkaFsjo89NvAfNhKZXerWf sLG/ivFKLFdeghZe6ItTDxIToTm0EnMPI8by8ZRD/xZ6MMre1QnDhODrVx0uMPl2 DRcoe3wItI1ZlX33I+ktF7iP5QZUvL59k15jBCoSnmU8mxSyM+REB/5O7IgLJvGI +SMoQB14+WwE/jDvz3HVqCifkwU2GDg3t3NT7lUq8yinovGjISufSuDdPY/croFl kgCLJ5JlEkHkv3EQPyce0ad6zkf6gpc4rWKv3hxxpSNDkKQ7CJyd51zF9S0bWztx 4KjAB5GJRNVxCEcWuh6F8/cSlh3yGTxrbJRh8M3SL1l3JPAo+xcK5nFwZ9Wz/ubk 3jpHrLIuH6+71NPsbZc/ =8QVC -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----