From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7659D138247 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2013 22:25:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9E8ACE0AA7; Thu, 7 Nov 2013 22:25:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mx1.mthode.org (rrcs-24-173-105-85.sw.biz.rr.com [24.173.105.85]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6820E0999 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2013 22:25:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.0.87] (113.sub-70-195-201.myvzw.com [70.195.201.113]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.mthode.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 6AE9512429 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2013 17:27:30 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <527C1345.7010202@gentoo.org> Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2013 16:25:09 -0600 From: Matthew Thode User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.1.0 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Suggestion: support the Dev team with system resources References: <527AA26B.5070907@politeia.in> <527ACE3B.7020105@politeia.in> <527BA821.1060808@gentoo.org> <527BDB69.6030200@gentoo.org> <527BF11B.8040408@gentoo.org> <527BF32A.9030502@politeia.in> <527C0116.40108@politeia.in> In-Reply-To: <527C0116.40108@politeia.in> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.6 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="xAePdP3TQ7Ak8dXtx94DdpFoUuA1UKePj" X-Archives-Salt: 338604c7-d951-4d7c-abca-7e98c642adab X-Archives-Hash: 6a9e6259393307fb8118489c60350627 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --xAePdP3TQ7Ak8dXtx94DdpFoUuA1UKePj Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 11/07/2013 03:07 PM, Denis M. wrote: > On 11/07/2013 09:18 PM, Rich Freeman wrote: >> On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 3:08 PM, Denis M. wrote: >>> On 11/07/2013 08:59 PM, Matthew Thode wrote: >>>> iirc, we give $200 if infra for developer accounts for a couple of >>>> months. If a deal is struck it would likely be more and forever or >>>> something. >>> I've been running my VM for Ago for 13 months now (started on septemb= er >>> 2012), where are my >$200? ;-) >>> >> Can't argue with that. :) >> >> Seriously, though, I'd love to see these needs better supported. I >> think we need to start by defining what the needs actually are (less >> redundancy, more consistency, etc). Then we figure out how to best >> address them. It could be individuals donating VMs, or it might be >> Gentoo buying resources from any number of vendors, or it could be >> Gentoo going out and looking for donors. I suspect that if we went >> out with something specific in mind we might be able to find a sponsor= >> - but it is always best to have some idea just what we're going to be >> using any donations for (this will be our stage3 builder which cranks >> out a new stage3 every 20 minutes and reports build failures to double= >> as a tinderbox, etc). >> >> Rich >> >=20 > Currently Diego's tinderbox does something like that AFAIK. Compiles > things and (almost?) automatically submits bugs against the packages > with the relevant logs, etc... >=20 > The initial idea behind my suggestion was that the devs would have the > enough system resources to address these bugs (and the ones reported > from the users, of course). >=20 > An example here could be the following: finding/confirming a compilatio= n > bug for a package with ~10 USE flags could take tatt quite some > compilations depending on the USE flag's combinations (this is actually= > what arch testers do in order to stabilize/keyword a package). Another > example would be, as I mentioned in my previous mails to this thread - = a > new glibc version comes out and (as you know) quite some packages fail > to compile against it. Having the resources, it would be possible to > track these packages faster instead of relying on random users/testers > to report them to bugs.g.o. And a last one would be testing new > KDE/GNOME/whatever-meta-with-huge-number-of-packages. >=20 > As an AT member myself I could only give examples on how using such > system of donating/providing instances would be a benefit. For a > comprehensive list of the tasks (for consistency as you said), I'd wait= > for actual devs to enumerate their needs. >=20 > I doubt this will go as further as Gentoo actually *buying* resources. > The reason is obvious - "things have been going fine till now, why thro= w > monnies for something as 'unnecessary'" (which is why I haven't receive= d > a penny for it, hehehe), that's why I came with the > donorship-of-instances version. I believe the 'going out looking for > donors' part you said is basically what I'm suggesting here, although I= > believe you meant donors =3D huge companies providing clusters, and I > doubt that'll happen. >=20 > From my observation, you can get a lot of work done on a simple > 2GB-ram-4-cores VirtualBox VM. Not to talk that lots of people nowadays= > have these resources to spare. That's why getting actual people (and no= t > companies or whatever) to donate their system resources is easier to > get/reach. >=20 >=20 > Regards, > Denis M. >=20 I may also have a small openstack cluster I can let people use soonish. Working on a backlog of issues now. --=20 -- Matthew Thode (prometheanfire) --xAePdP3TQ7Ak8dXtx94DdpFoUuA1UKePj Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJSfBNLAAoJECRx6z5ArFrDQWMP/1obZGNZh+nIwoyCu3KpUM2z xpBKnqvmyU12XmjCd0HyedLUwJ0KEvI6I9q2ZjHODT1XlO87EW8XdFZ9KFXWuR/X ChZtRUggIxmgd1rqiC3+O+CWMkAl3V10E9UfIDefZh6+YebZBPd5oNSThHow/KZE qEb+s4nQ2wG7wR2koLFWixFMqs9jq8SZ1IhHmX7SdHea0sgsZgt0av67btPHdGNu F9sq8563O6te1Dnu83l2C0nT7jVUtmO+9uHa0N1dC0924WBBMwBDaL7kq3kwGOoS Cd10WVhXreF8X0VYI99JfKGk5Gb+saagAaQE7fQ9Zhl/BVV6zYrS4UNSM5UXOT8Q +a2yxZj3j+zrE8i+jKRQo0OwoRCaOF5tMWrk+B1oRIpy2489Ovs/sRFwpxv2WkfQ SNW1+VONWK6G+yCF59f/xQStIlqi09ZvYBPqW8JeZ8qxQeIsak7ZcmyymnR0/gYc wsHNsSQjTTJ3Us5v8fwglIhBJ0dCF99wt6F8lY1ZjQ+tOpR+nEB1tasaQ7u7CcRQ uiah32vUclWiY5r3KbngLZ5CcNLYyptAXQQIkaeHag4JKiHRnY72Xfh18RTUE1M+ PXQVkyZqp7ZiW/P8V85Go6L7jSrPu1fFCyuRXlxxNCGdMzuI0pmJjgHiYOpsbJ3T ff9lMa97b/hY2mIjYRHO =TYek -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --xAePdP3TQ7Ak8dXtx94DdpFoUuA1UKePj--