From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C803138247 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2013 01:23:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id BE211E0A53; Tue, 5 Nov 2013 01:23:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail2.viabit.com (mail2.viabit.com [65.246.80.16]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E37C5E09FF for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2013 01:23:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [172.17.29.6] (vpn1.metro-data.com [65.213.236.242]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail2.viabit.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3dDCn16dkGz3RDs for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2013 20:23:17 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=orlitzky.com; s=mail2; t=1383614598; bh=EIyVFsuu8QpznwlB5kzOpWSAYlVlG+5Mj8ttm2zY8Eo=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To; b=ZMWwDGu4uOG/xR6Arv3QNRlLsn1uyS1wWpDlPeeBUfkk0RNCk0/WCCGiSThcHOULF Zd7q6AzR6jXrNnma7KbwNdNHBFajNFCfrnp2Lkwx/4aHGqmbbLymN/g9PJZBZDj8f/ Vm4C3CzySzBaMuAFVupeI3XyJWv0saObcfyQ9RzY= Message-ID: <52784885.8070503@orlitzky.com> Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2013 20:23:17 -0500 From: Michael Orlitzky User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130929 Thunderbird/17.0.9 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Official way to do rolling update (Was: Re: Releng breakage with respect to move from dev-python/python-exec to dev-lang/python-exec) References: <20131104051518.51efd36c@gentoo.org> <52775FD3.7000102@sporkbox.us> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.5.2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: c23d58a1-07af-4126-91e9-c0ef281974f8 X-Archives-Hash: 30e14c479a0f1dc29db6b43034e3976f On 11/04/2013 04:46 PM, Duncan wrote: > > I imagine were emerge being written today, -1 /would/ be the default, and > there'd be an option like --select to add to the @world file if > necessary. That's actually the way I setup my scripts, with -1 the > default, and an extra "2" suffix script variant that did add to the world > file. But backward compatibility being what it is, I guess by the time > portage authors realized they had a backward default, they couldn't > really fix it, except by something like EMERGE_DEFAULT_OPTS. > Actually, this behavior has flipped back and forth three or four times (silently!), to the detriment of my @world sets. The last time I brought it up was in, https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=397313 but you can chase the bug trail back to 2004. There are plenty of people on both sides. I haven't changed my mind, but the problem is "solved" here. I spend hours writing metapackages for the things that I want recorded in @world so that they can be differentiated from the things that were --updated without --oneshot (which is easy to forget). The servers that were alive during the silent changes in behavior were physically retired.