From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B222138247 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2013 20:53:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id ADC22E09E2; Sat, 2 Nov 2013 20:52:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B237CE09BE for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2013 20:52:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.7] (pool-96-236-212-126.pitbpa.fios.verizon.net [96.236.212.126]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: zerochaos) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 7EC7333EE50 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2013 20:52:56 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <52756723.9090300@gentoo.org> Date: Sat, 02 Nov 2013 16:57:07 -0400 From: "Rick \"Zero_Chaos\" Farina" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.0 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Releng breakage with respect to move from dev-python/python-exec to dev-lang/python-exec References: <5274FB3D.8080508@gentoo.org> <20131102145126.3c1f6cd7@TOMWIJ-GENTOO> <20131102160330.0e6eaa5e@gentoo.org> <52755089.6090808@gentoo.org> <20131102213530.24388cda@gentoo.org> In-Reply-To: <20131102213530.24388cda@gentoo.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.5.2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Archives-Salt: 8c5c0698-50bb-44ff-b3cc-f91656575975 X-Archives-Hash: 8cf6608003e9d62c8bc988707bcb2c20 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 11/02/2013 04:35 PM, yac wrote: > On Sat, 02 Nov 2013 15:20:41 -0400 > "Rick \"Zero_Chaos\" Farina" wrote: > >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >> Hash: SHA1 > >> On 11/02/2013 11:03 AM, Michał Górny wrote: >>> Dnia 2013-11-02, o godz. 14:51:26 >>> Tom Wijsman napisał(a): >>> >>>> On Sat, 02 Nov 2013 09:16:45 -0400 >>>> "Anthony G. Basile" wrote: >>>> >>>>> This is a followup to a discussion on IRC yesterday regarding >>>>> breakage that's occurring to catalyst builds as a result of the >>>>> recent move from dev-python/python-exec to dev-lang/python-exec. >>>> >>>> This has been happening to users as well, for example: >>>> >>>> http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-973998.html >>>> http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-974412.html >>>> >>>> To move forward and get this resolved, some questions: >>>> >>>> 1. Has this been resolved for users? Do they just need to sync? >>>> 2. If not resolved for users, what is the best temporary >>>> workaround? 3. Are you able to fix this? Do you need help to fix >>>> this? 4. Depending on the nature of the fix: Would a news item be >>>> needed? >>> >>> From what I heard, most of people get this working through a plain: >>> >>> emerge -Du @world >>> >>> If someone is really reluctant to world updates, it is enough to >>> upgrade dev-python/python-exec to 10000.*: >>> >>> emerge -1v dev-python/python-exec >>> >>> I was considering writing a news item for it but we discussed it on >>> IRC and decided that users are really expected to be able to handle >>> themselves, especially wrt to: >>> >>> 1. using 'emerge -Du @world' to upgrade their systems, >>> >>> 2. reading the blocker output to see that it states >>> ' which suggests: what if I >>> upgrade to 10000? >>> >>> If you believe that a news item would be helpful, I'm happy to write >>> it. Just please make sure that we're all in agreement over the >>> method of handling the issue. > >> A news item isn't enough for breaking autobuilds. If we can't find a >> way to do this properly so portage knows how to upgrade then it is >> being done WRONG. > >> Autobuilds break, gentoo can't be installed, the distro dies. I know, >> sounds like I'm making something out of nothing but every time people >> look at the stages and notice they are months out of date we find >> another blog post announcing how gentoo is dead. > >> Honestly, if I knew a way to fix this I would have already made any >> changes needed to fix it. Please fix this, because if you don't, >> eventually I'll find a way and I doubt you will like it. > > I guess you can run a basic QA like that the image boots and gets the > network up with openQA (or using the same method) at least to detect > such breakage. > I think everyone involved knows that manual intervention is needed to resolve this dep. I'm sure that things were tested before they were commited, which leads me to believe that the commiter didn't care that manual intervention is required. Sadly, we at releng do. I am actively seeking a resolution for this, let's see who commits it first. - -Zero >> - -Zero >>> >>> Additionally, the news item would state how to get rid of the old >>> deps. This will presumably involve something like: >>> >>> emerge -1v $( qdepends -NCQ dev-python/python-exec ) >>> >>> Please note that 'equery d' from gentoolkit is currently broken due >>> to some random magic inside portage and doesn't list all the >>> packages correctly. >>> >>> However, for the latter it would be probably preferred to wait with >>> it till python-exec:2 is stable on all arches to avoid rebuilding >>> packages twice in a short time. >>> > >> > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJSdWcjAAoJEKXdFCfdEflK2vYP/Rf2I3SSAm0ZwxJRqYl2Lv+y TrYscC0ekWn3Z0+FwUz9rhfhWJwoCjCEv7zsxq0UQiQu+xK+DmqXcgw38zYGb6Wv bPvq8JMpcSa4tz1wW+wbepS31fXq/WlV1E03BRAbUrM1bhxyS2qia8S0AkTyN4xt UlleZb8Ep0NrlX1JAx/EgLCBmA61xj5ONdIPlyni5RCtnFZIPnMRTVhlFARaWXQJ coFztk/ke7B43p2Q6wGR6zHRNdnH59gHg6FwDxXsys/AajSDFrR9Id5GoAgOiqPW 9eqbwyR50Csd3H3UKdmit7Tdn80TSt4qWs/NXSrvG+38TVm1U6hY6rVSSHHuUXba b3QqT/jx7GzUa3GtKp7QD5ZcKk/F2d7z/oOeGUodGNJ8P+5cQHHb96z0vKR6D2lU DPpH8v5EWAY01PLW/1240mTljT6/30GPNxEgR1oj2GxOUR+gUnVXFARcorP4R5Ek qv2jLp1SZgQDAht8RfvR1ngXIpQmNyUvYCKQuxu3fwhANxu0T1DqLfO0shxg9FnZ HrOzlZvsmOtf4dPjJ9kuWPhbRD10VPqy8dzis1jzb9ucSgCP96y1UzbSjuLI183B gsHfJSERKNZ9E1qWEL5OZ/qv7Q7+zsgG7XTo8/12AQUFIIkA8l7qEvZ0AiOXNxwQ rHEvm115H5ic0gQ8bG6I =Y0pJ -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----