[gentoo-dev] Move m68k, sh, s390 to ~arch

[gentoo-dev] Move m68k, sh, s390 to ~arch

[Agostino Sarubbo]

Hello,

the council has decided[1] to drop m68k, sh, s390 to unstable. If someone has 
something to say about, this is the last opportunity or in few days I will 
start to mark them as ~arch.

[1]: https://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/council/meeting-logs/20130917-summary.txt

-- 
Agostino Sarubbo
Gentoo Linux Developer

Re: [gentoo-dev] Move m68k, sh, s390 to ~arch

[Andreas K. Huettel]

Am Montag, 23. September 2013, 22:03:49 schrieb Agostino Sarubbo:
> Hello,
> 
> the council has decided[1] to drop m68k, sh, s390 to unstable. If someone
> has something to say about, this is the last opportunity or in few days I
> will start to mark them as ~arch.
> 
> [1]:
> https://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/council/meeting-logs/20130917-summary.txt

Hey Ago, 

please at least wait until the step from the news item is done (next sunday) - 
the modification of ACCEPT_KEYWORDS in the profiles. 

If you do anything before that it will only mess things up.

Cheers, A


-- 
Andreas K. Huettel
Gentoo Linux developer (council, kde)
dilfridge@gentoo.org
http://www.akhuettel.de/

Re: [gentoo-dev] Move m68k, sh, s390 to ~arch

[Alexis Ballier]

On Mon, 23 Sep 2013 22:03:49 +0200
Agostino Sarubbo <ago@gentoo.org> wrote:

> Hello,
> 
> the council has decided[1] to drop m68k, sh, s390 to unstable. If
> someone has something to say about, this is the last opportunity or
> in few days I will start to mark them as ~arch.

is there a need to waste your time on this ?

when mips was moved to ~arch it was done progressively: packages are
moved to ~arch (~all) with new versions/revisions, no new stable
keywords are added and old versions get removed.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Move m68k, sh, s390 to ~arch

[Markos Chandras]

On 09/23/2013 09:31 PM, Alexis Ballier wrote:
> On Mon, 23 Sep 2013 22:03:49 +0200
> Agostino Sarubbo <ago@gentoo.org> wrote:
> 
>> Hello,
>>
>> the council has decided[1] to drop m68k, sh, s390 to unstable. If
>> someone has something to say about, this is the last opportunity or
>> in few days I will start to mark them as ~arch.
> 
> is there a need to waste your time on this ?
> 
> when mips was moved to ~arch it was done progressively: packages are
> moved to ~arch (~all) with new versions/revisions, no new stable
> keywords are added and old versions get removed.
> 
I agree. There is absolutely *no* reason to drop the keywords on
existing packages and cause massive downgrades/upgrades for people
(unless of course you want to increase your number of cvs commits which
is a worrying argument on its own)

-- 
Regards,
Markos Chandras - Gentoo Linux Developer
http://dev.gentoo.org/~hwoarang

Re: [gentoo-dev] Move m68k, sh, s390 to ~arch

[Rick "Zero_Chaos" Farina]

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On 09/23/2013 04:41 PM, Markos Chandras wrote:
> On 09/23/2013 09:31 PM, Alexis Ballier wrote:
>> On Mon, 23 Sep 2013 22:03:49 +0200
>> Agostino Sarubbo <ago@gentoo.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> the council has decided[1] to drop m68k, sh, s390 to unstable. If
>>> someone has something to say about, this is the last opportunity or
>>> in few days I will start to mark them as ~arch.
>>
>> is there a need to waste your time on this ?
>>
>> when mips was moved to ~arch it was done progressively: packages are
>> moved to ~arch (~all) with new versions/revisions, no new stable
>> keywords are added and old versions get removed.
>>
> I agree. There is absolutely *no* reason to drop the keywords on
> existing packages and cause massive downgrades/upgrades for people
> (unless of course you want to increase your number of cvs commits which
> is a worrying argument on its own)
> 

The mass upgrades will happen when the profiles change ACCEPT_KEYWORDS
from arch to ~arch no matter what.  Fixing existing keywords just make
things tidy.

And ffs, ago has more commits than half the gentoo developers already,
I'd be more worried if he wanted less commits.

Ago, please keep up the good work, but after the profiles are updated.

Thanks,
Zero
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Move m68k, sh, s390 to ~arch

[Agostino Sarubbo]

On 09/23/2013 22:41, Markos Chandras wrote:
> (unless of course you want to increase your number of cvs commits which
> is a worrying argument on its own)

11:16 #gentoo-bugs: <+bonsaikitten> ago: do me a favour and de-keyword all 
affected packages for s390

Also, nobody give me an award for the commits, so I really don't understand 
what you mean.
-- 
Agostino Sarubbo
Gentoo Linux Developer

Re: [gentoo-dev] Move m68k, sh, s390 to ~arch

[Markos Chandras]

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On 09/24/2013 07:28 PM, Agostino Sarubbo wrote:
> On 09/23/2013 22:41, Markos Chandras wrote:
>> (unless of course you want to increase your number of cvs commits
>> which is a worrying argument on its own)
> 
> 11:16 #gentoo-bugs: <+bonsaikitten> ago: do me a favour and
> de-keyword all affected packages for s390
> 
> Also, nobody give me an award for the commits, so I really don't
> understand what you mean.
> 
I don't understand why you quote something from Patrick.

All I am saying, is to avoid mass-commits for no reason. The stable
keywords will be lost during time by removing old version of the packages.

- -- 
Regards,
Markos Chandras - Gentoo Linux Developer
http://dev.gentoo.org/~hwoarang
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Move m68k, sh, s390 to ~arch

[Andreas K. Huettel]

Am Dienstag, 24. September 2013, 21:07:26 schrieb Markos Chandras:
> On 09/24/2013 07:28 PM, Agostino Sarubbo wrote:
> > On 09/23/2013 22:41, Markos Chandras wrote:
> >> (unless of course you want to increase your number of cvs commits
> >> which is a worrying argument on its own)
> > 
> > 11:16 #gentoo-bugs: <+bonsaikitten> ago: do me a favour and
> > de-keyword all affected packages for s390
> > 
> > Also, nobody give me an award for the commits, so I really don't
> > understand what you mean.
> 
> I don't understand why you quote something from Patrick.
> 
> All I am saying, is to avoid mass-commits for no reason. The stable
> keywords will be lost during time by removing old version of the packages.

Yeah, but while this process is ongoing, repoman will barf on the "remaining 
stable set"... so better remove it in one go.

-- 
Andreas K. Huettel
Gentoo Linux developer (council, kde)
dilfridge@gentoo.org
http://www.akhuettel.de/

Re: [gentoo-dev] Move m68k, sh, s390 to ~arch

[Pacho Ramos]

El mar, 24-09-2013 a las 22:38 +0200, Andreas K. Huettel escribió:
> Am Dienstag, 24. September 2013, 21:07:26 schrieb Markos Chandras:
> > On 09/24/2013 07:28 PM, Agostino Sarubbo wrote:
> > > On 09/23/2013 22:41, Markos Chandras wrote:
> > >> (unless of course you want to increase your number of cvs commits
> > >> which is a worrying argument on its own)
> > > 
> > > 11:16 #gentoo-bugs: <+bonsaikitten> ago: do me a favour and
> > > de-keyword all affected packages for s390
> > > 
> > > Also, nobody give me an award for the commits, so I really don't
> > > understand what you mean.
> > 
> > I don't understand why you quote something from Patrick.
> > 
> > All I am saying, is to avoid mass-commits for no reason. The stable
> > keywords will be lost during time by removing old version of the packages.
> 
> Yeah, but while this process is ongoing, repoman will barf on the "remaining 
> stable set"... so better remove it in one go.
> 
> -- 
> Andreas K. Huettel
> Gentoo Linux developer (council, kde)
> dilfridge@gentoo.org
> http://www.akhuettel.de/
> 
> 

Maybe repoman could be fixed: if ~sh and sh keywords will be enabled for
sh users, why repoman doesn't follow it? (and, then, let both keywords
to supply the needed deps)

Re: [gentoo-dev] Move m68k, sh, s390 to ~arch

[Sergey Popov]

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24.09.2013 23:07, Markos Chandras пишет:
> On 09/24/2013 07:28 PM, Agostino Sarubbo wrote:
>> On 09/23/2013 22:41, Markos Chandras wrote:
>>> (unless of course you want to increase your number of cvs commits
>>> which is a worrying argument on its own)
> 
>> 11:16 #gentoo-bugs: <+bonsaikitten> ago: do me a favour and
>> de-keyword all affected packages for s390
> 
>> Also, nobody give me an award for the commits, so I really don't
>> understand what you mean.
> 
> I don't understand why you quote something from Patrick.
> 
> All I am saying, is to avoid mass-commits for no reason. The stable
> keywords will be lost during time by removing old version of the packages.
> 
> 

I think optimal solution here is to СС unstable arches on stable
requests for new versions of packages to let them drop stable keywords.
And if they are silent - dropping keywords with all revdeps by
maintainer itself when other arches are done with stabilization.

-- 
Best regards, Sergey Popov
Gentoo developer
Gentoo Desktop Effects project lead
Gentoo Qt project lead
Gentoo Proxy maintainers project lead


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Re: [gentoo-dev] Move m68k, sh, s390 to ~arch

[Patrick Lauer]

On 09/25/2013 03:07 AM, Markos Chandras wrote:
> On 09/24/2013 07:28 PM, Agostino Sarubbo wrote:
>> On 09/23/2013 22:41, Markos Chandras wrote:
>>> (unless of course you want to increase your number of cvs commits
>>> which is a worrying argument on its own)
> 
>> 11:16 #gentoo-bugs: <+bonsaikitten> ago: do me a favour and
>> de-keyword all affected packages for s390
> 
>> Also, nobody give me an award for the commits, so I really don't
>> understand what you mean.
> 
> I don't understand why you quote something from Patrick.
> 
> All I am saying, is to avoid mass-commits for no reason. The stable
> keywords will be lost during time by removing old version of the packages.
> 

Unless you already have a broken depgraph ... which was the reason why I
poked ago as he caused the initial breakage by optimistically masking
too many versions of openldap.