From: Mike Auty <ikelos@gentoo.org>
To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Gnome Stabilization 3.6 or 3.8
Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2013 00:10:29 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <5206C865.3060204@gentoo.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <5206C1CC.1090209@mailstation.de>
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On 10/08/13 23:42, Wulf C. Krueger wrote:
> On 09.08.2013 02:26, Mike Auty wrote:
>> I could be a KDE developer, or a Gentoo documenter, or work on
>> mplayer. All those people are open source contributors and
>> necessary ones, but that doesn't mean that any of them
>> necessarily has the skills or the time to look after udev. Does
>> that invalidate their opinion on the choices of upstream project
>> they rely on?
>
> Yes, it does.
In that situation then, developers are only developing for themselves?
What's more likely is that they've taken a gamble that most users
will simply accept their changes, which they deem as necessary to move
forward.
That would be fine if there were alternative options, but as more and
more things are "vertically integrated" the choices made by one
project are knocking over into others. Before I could simply ignore
systemd and choose something else, now I'm having to choose between
using both Gnome and systemd, or neither.
It is a difficult choice, but just as Gnome has chosen to forsake my
desire for a simplistic init system at the expense of a little boot
speed and some "features" I've never needed in the past, I'm having to
walk away to some other less well developed desktop environment. The
cost of ignoring their users opinions is losing the users themselves.
I don't know how many users they'll have to lose before someone
decides to take the ship in a new direction, but I would like to see
how many they stand to lose, by asking those who care to speak up and
find a way of being heard before the damage is too much to repair...
Mike 5:\
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2013-08-07 12:45 [gentoo-dev] Gnome Stabilization 3.6 or 3.8 Michael Weber
2013-08-07 13:14 ` Alexandre Rostovtsev
2013-08-07 13:56 ` Tom Wijsman
2013-08-07 15:22 ` Rich Freeman
2013-08-07 23:49 ` Patrick Lauer
2013-08-08 2:51 ` Alex Alexander
2013-08-08 9:29 ` hasufell
2013-08-08 9:43 ` Tom Wijsman
2013-08-08 11:19 ` Rich Freeman
2013-08-08 11:28 ` Tom Wijsman
2013-08-08 10:05 ` Michał Górny
2013-08-08 10:30 ` Samuli Suominen
2013-08-08 14:01 ` Fabio Erculiani
2013-08-08 14:10 ` Alon Bar-Lev
2013-08-08 14:30 ` Fabio Erculiani
2013-08-08 14:45 ` Michał Górny
2013-08-08 14:17 ` Patrick Lauer
2013-08-08 14:34 ` Ben Kohler
2013-08-08 14:56 ` hasufell
2013-08-08 15:16 ` Damien Levac
2013-08-08 15:40 ` Ian Stakenvicius
2013-08-08 15:49 ` Tom Wijsman
2013-08-08 15:56 ` Pacho Ramos
2013-08-08 16:02 ` Rich Freeman
2013-08-08 16:13 ` Pacho Ramos
2013-08-08 16:20 ` Ian Stakenvicius
2013-08-08 16:24 ` Pacho Ramos
2013-08-08 16:58 ` Ian Stakenvicius
2013-08-09 13:10 ` Walter Dnes
2013-08-08 15:23 ` Tom Wijsman
2013-08-08 16:36 ` hasufell
2013-08-08 16:48 ` Pacho Ramos
2013-08-08 16:52 ` hasufell
2013-08-08 17:09 ` Pacho Ramos
2013-08-08 17:57 ` Rich Freeman
2013-08-08 16:53 ` Tom Wijsman
2013-08-08 17:41 ` Rich Freeman
2013-08-08 17:57 ` Alon Bar-Lev
2013-08-08 18:08 ` Samuli Suominen
2013-08-08 18:23 ` Alon Bar-Lev
2013-08-08 18:47 ` Multiple implementations shouldn't block Gentoo's progress. Stabilize package combinations? (was: Re: [gentoo-dev] Gnome Stabilization 3.6 or 3.8) Tom Wijsman
[not found] ` < CAOazyz2R+3TANLkeoXhP0LgLS+rOZwjPdCYVdC82DTG1nbri-w@mail.gmail.com>
2013-08-08 18:57 ` Alon Bar-Lev
2013-08-08 19:09 ` Rich Freeman
2013-08-08 19:11 ` Tom Wijsman
2013-08-09 1:05 ` [gentoo-dev] Re: Multiple implementations shouldn't block Gentoo's progress. Stabilize package combinations? Zac Medico
2013-08-09 1:18 ` Dustin C. Hatch
2013-08-09 5:39 ` Samuli Suominen
2013-08-09 6:42 ` [gentoo-dev] " Steven J. Long
2013-08-09 6:51 ` [gentoo-dev] [typo] Re: Re: Multiple implementations shouldn't block Gentoo's progress Steven J. Long
2013-08-09 7:19 ` William Hubbs
2013-08-09 7:26 ` Samuli Suominen
2013-08-09 10:50 ` Rich Freeman
2013-08-10 18:42 ` [gentoo-dev] " Steven J. Long
2013-08-11 1:53 ` Rich Freeman
[not found] ` < CAGfcS_=zyeX8Whr8U4w4s3ouSbUoTm=hF95t3rd0q=wt60eZcQ@mail.gmail.com>
[not found] ` < 20130810184211.GA1500@rathaus.eclipse.co.uk>
2013-08-11 2:04 ` Duncan
2013-08-09 8:46 ` [gentoo-dev] Re: Multiple implementations shouldn't block Gentoo's progress. Stabilize package combinations? Tom Wijsman
2013-08-09 8:58 ` Samuli Suominen
2013-08-09 9:53 ` Tom Wijsman
2013-08-08 18:58 ` [gentoo-dev] Gnome Stabilization 3.6 or 3.8 Samuli Suominen
2013-08-08 19:01 ` Alon Bar-Lev
2013-08-08 18:26 ` Tom Wijsman
2013-08-08 18:38 ` Alon Bar-Lev
2013-08-08 19:03 ` Tom Wijsman
2013-08-08 19:02 ` Rich Freeman
2013-08-08 19:22 ` Tom Wijsman
2013-08-09 2:03 ` William Hubbs
2013-08-09 7:36 ` Gilles Dartiguelongue
2013-08-09 9:30 ` hasufell
2013-08-09 10:27 ` Rich Freeman
2013-08-09 11:31 ` Patrick Lauer
2013-08-09 11:26 ` Tom Wijsman
2013-08-09 11:39 ` Patrick Lauer
2013-08-09 11:38 ` Pacho Ramos
2013-08-09 12:14 ` vivo75
2013-08-09 13:54 ` Michał Górny
2013-08-09 16:38 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2013-08-10 19:57 ` vivo75
2013-08-09 16:17 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2013-08-09 20:43 ` Samuli Suominen
2013-08-09 11:45 ` Tom Wijsman
2013-08-09 13:57 ` Michał Górny
2013-08-09 19:11 ` Ben de Groot
2013-08-09 19:15 ` Matt Turner
2013-08-09 19:17 ` Michał Górny
2013-08-09 20:32 ` Tom Wijsman
2013-08-09 23:32 ` Mike Auty
2013-08-10 0:03 ` Tom Wijsman
2013-08-10 10:51 ` Patrick Lauer
2013-08-10 10:59 ` Rich Freeman
2013-08-10 11:12 ` Alon Bar-Lev
2013-08-10 11:38 ` Tom Wijsman
2013-08-09 11:37 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2013-08-09 11:58 ` Tom Wijsman
2013-08-10 10:50 ` Patrick Lauer
2013-08-10 11:40 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2013-08-09 12:28 ` Rich Freeman
2013-08-09 14:22 ` Alon Bar-Lev
2013-08-09 14:44 ` Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn
2013-08-09 14:50 ` Alon Bar-Lev
2013-08-09 14:51 ` Arun Raghavan
2013-08-09 14:57 ` Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn
2013-08-09 15:02 ` Alon Bar-Lev
2013-08-09 15:25 ` hasufell
2013-08-09 16:12 ` Tom Wijsman
2013-08-09 15:12 ` Tom Wijsman
2013-08-10 11:04 ` Patrick Lauer
2013-08-10 11:42 ` Tom Wijsman
2013-08-10 11:51 ` Michael Weber
2013-08-10 16:50 ` William Hubbs
2013-08-09 16:43 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2013-08-09 14:59 ` Tom Wijsman
2013-08-10 11:03 ` Patrick Lauer
2013-08-10 11:52 ` Tom Wijsman
2013-08-09 17:45 ` William Hubbs
2013-08-10 10:55 ` Patrick Lauer
2013-08-10 11:12 ` Rich Freeman
2013-08-10 11:59 ` Tom Wijsman
2013-08-10 12:16 ` Ben Kohler
2013-08-09 13:44 ` Samuli Suominen
2013-08-09 12:36 ` hasufell
2013-08-09 13:13 ` Tom Wijsman
2013-08-10 19:34 ` [gentoo-dev] " Steven J. Long
2013-08-10 19:49 ` Tom Wijsman
2013-08-23 13:27 ` Steven J. Long
2013-08-23 15:54 ` Tom Wijsman
2013-08-09 13:49 ` [gentoo-dev] " Samuli Suominen
2013-08-09 14:40 ` Alon Bar-Lev
2013-08-09 15:42 ` Tom Wijsman
2013-08-09 16:35 ` Samuli Suominen
2013-08-09 17:06 ` Samuli Suominen
2013-08-09 10:42 ` Tom Wijsman
2013-09-11 9:41 ` Olav Vitters
2013-09-11 11:15 ` Pacho Ramos
2013-08-08 18:12 ` Tom Wijsman
2013-08-09 0:27 ` Patrick Lauer
2013-08-09 3:08 ` Rich Freeman
2013-08-09 9:16 ` Tom Wijsman
2013-08-09 14:57 ` Walter Dnes
2013-08-09 15:47 ` Tom Wijsman
2013-08-10 4:03 ` Walter Dnes
2013-08-10 6:54 ` Samuli Suominen
2013-08-08 15:26 ` Rich Freeman
2013-08-08 16:05 ` Alex Xu
2013-08-08 16:09 ` William Hubbs
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2013-08-08 6:21 ` [gentoo-dev] " Duncan
2013-08-08 6:26 ` Daniel Campbell
2013-08-08 7:05 ` KDE/semantic-desktop, was: " Andreas K. Huettel
2013-08-08 14:59 ` [gentoo-dev] Re: KDE/semantic-desktop Martin Vaeth
2013-08-08 17:44 ` Martin Vaeth
2013-08-08 17:52 ` Rich Freeman
2013-08-08 18:15 ` Chris Reffett
2013-08-08 9:45 ` [gentoo-dev] Re: Gnome Stabilization 3.6 or 3.8 hasufell
2013-08-08 11:23 ` Rich Freeman
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[not found] ` <52033A27.2070103@sporkbox.us >
2013-08-08 8:27 ` Duncan
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[not found] ` <pan$f2635$5ee40939$18f8a55$7afd54a5@cox.net >
2013-08-08 8:33 ` Duncan
2013-08-07 15:16 ` [gentoo-dev] " Pacho Ramos
2013-08-08 6:19 ` Daniel Campbell
2013-08-08 15:13 ` William Hubbs
2013-08-08 9:39 ` Ben de Groot
2013-08-08 9:49 ` Tom Wijsman
2013-08-08 10:38 ` Samuli Suominen
2013-08-08 20:40 ` Mike Auty
2013-08-08 21:06 ` Pacho Ramos
2013-08-09 0:17 ` Mike Auty
2013-08-09 0:26 ` Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn
2013-08-09 6:24 ` Pacho Ramos
2013-08-09 9:26 ` Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn
2013-08-09 9:51 ` Pacho Ramos
2013-08-09 10:22 ` Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn
2013-08-09 10:35 ` Pacho Ramos
2013-08-11 5:41 ` Samuli Suominen
2013-08-11 7:31 ` Pacho Ramos
2013-08-11 7:51 ` Samuli Suominen
2013-08-11 11:14 ` Rich Freeman
2013-08-11 8:02 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2013-08-08 23:19 ` Greg KH
2013-08-09 0:26 ` Mike Auty
2013-08-09 9:35 ` Tom Wijsman
2013-08-09 22:46 ` Mike Auty
2013-08-10 22:42 ` Wulf C. Krueger
2013-08-10 23:10 ` Mike Auty [this message]
2013-08-10 23:45 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2013-08-11 1:15 ` Mike Auty
2013-08-11 1:42 ` Rich Freeman
2013-08-11 0:01 ` Tom Wijsman
2013-08-11 13:41 ` Walter Dnes
2013-08-11 14:03 ` Walter Dnes
2013-08-09 0:25 ` Michael Weber
2013-08-09 5:29 ` Samuli Suominen
2013-08-09 6:28 ` Pacho Ramos
2013-08-09 6:27 ` Pacho Ramos
2013-08-10 19:57 ` Roy Bamford
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