From: hasufell <hasufell@gentoo.org>
To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Gnome Stabilization 3.6 or 3.8
Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2013 17:25:10 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <520509D6.6000605@gentoo.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <52050360.30502@gentoo.org>
On 08/09/2013 04:57 PM, Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn wrote:
> Alon Bar-Lev schrieb:
>>> I think there may be a misunderstanding here. He only said that if you
>>> want to run Gnome 3.8, then switch to systemd. Because the Gnome team
>>> will not support any other configuration.
>>>
>>> He did not say that everyone should install systemd, nor that you need
>>> to support such a configuration.
>> So users will have gnome working but not any other component? How can
>> this a good service for users?
>
> I am not sure what you mean by that. But every developer is free to
> commit and support in Gentoo whatever package he wishes to, within
> limitations set by policy.
> And when a package is 30 days in tree and there is no objection from QA
> or security teams then it can go stable.
>
>
No, that is definitely not how stabilization works and I was told
something different during my recruitment process.
* the package must be _stable_ (as in... it works on different setups...
this is already not true for gnome), no severe outstanding bugs either
upstream or in gentoo (broken openrc compatibility is a severe bug)
* 30 days is just a guideline, nothing more. Just following that without
caring about anything else will not improve our stable branch
* QA and security do not monitor every stabilization bug. the maintainer
has to track those issues in the first place
* reverse deps have to work
I don't care what people think about OpenRC or systemd. I support BOTH.
If a package only supports one, that is a BUG (and in this case... a
regression even).
This is similar to gcc vs clang. Clang is not ready yet to be used
system-wide, so gcc is still our main implementation and the default (as
in: shipped in stage3). Even if clang was stable... a package that does
not compile with gcc would never be allowed to go stable. We want it to
work on BOTH compilers.
If you can't make that happen, then that's okay. But don't attempt to
call that package stable then. It's not.
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2013-08-07 12:45 [gentoo-dev] Gnome Stabilization 3.6 or 3.8 Michael Weber
2013-08-07 13:14 ` Alexandre Rostovtsev
2013-08-07 13:56 ` Tom Wijsman
2013-08-07 15:22 ` Rich Freeman
2013-08-07 23:49 ` Patrick Lauer
2013-08-08 2:51 ` Alex Alexander
2013-08-08 9:29 ` hasufell
2013-08-08 9:43 ` Tom Wijsman
2013-08-08 11:19 ` Rich Freeman
2013-08-08 11:28 ` Tom Wijsman
2013-08-08 10:05 ` Michał Górny
2013-08-08 10:30 ` Samuli Suominen
2013-08-08 14:01 ` Fabio Erculiani
2013-08-08 14:10 ` Alon Bar-Lev
2013-08-08 14:30 ` Fabio Erculiani
2013-08-08 14:45 ` Michał Górny
2013-08-08 14:17 ` Patrick Lauer
2013-08-08 14:34 ` Ben Kohler
2013-08-08 14:56 ` hasufell
2013-08-08 15:16 ` Damien Levac
2013-08-08 15:40 ` Ian Stakenvicius
2013-08-08 15:49 ` Tom Wijsman
2013-08-08 15:56 ` Pacho Ramos
2013-08-08 16:02 ` Rich Freeman
2013-08-08 16:13 ` Pacho Ramos
2013-08-08 16:20 ` Ian Stakenvicius
2013-08-08 16:24 ` Pacho Ramos
2013-08-08 16:58 ` Ian Stakenvicius
2013-08-09 13:10 ` Walter Dnes
2013-08-08 15:23 ` Tom Wijsman
2013-08-08 16:36 ` hasufell
2013-08-08 16:48 ` Pacho Ramos
2013-08-08 16:52 ` hasufell
2013-08-08 17:09 ` Pacho Ramos
2013-08-08 17:57 ` Rich Freeman
2013-08-08 16:53 ` Tom Wijsman
2013-08-08 17:41 ` Rich Freeman
2013-08-08 17:57 ` Alon Bar-Lev
2013-08-08 18:08 ` Samuli Suominen
2013-08-08 18:23 ` Alon Bar-Lev
2013-08-08 18:47 ` Multiple implementations shouldn't block Gentoo's progress. Stabilize package combinations? (was: Re: [gentoo-dev] Gnome Stabilization 3.6 or 3.8) Tom Wijsman
[not found] ` < CAOazyz2R+3TANLkeoXhP0LgLS+rOZwjPdCYVdC82DTG1nbri-w@mail.gmail.com>
2013-08-08 18:57 ` Alon Bar-Lev
2013-08-08 19:09 ` Rich Freeman
2013-08-08 19:11 ` Tom Wijsman
2013-08-09 1:05 ` [gentoo-dev] Re: Multiple implementations shouldn't block Gentoo's progress. Stabilize package combinations? Zac Medico
2013-08-09 1:18 ` Dustin C. Hatch
2013-08-09 5:39 ` Samuli Suominen
2013-08-09 6:42 ` [gentoo-dev] " Steven J. Long
2013-08-09 6:51 ` [gentoo-dev] [typo] Re: Re: Multiple implementations shouldn't block Gentoo's progress Steven J. Long
2013-08-09 7:19 ` William Hubbs
2013-08-09 7:26 ` Samuli Suominen
2013-08-09 10:50 ` Rich Freeman
2013-08-10 18:42 ` [gentoo-dev] " Steven J. Long
2013-08-11 1:53 ` Rich Freeman
[not found] ` < CAGfcS_=zyeX8Whr8U4w4s3ouSbUoTm=hF95t3rd0q=wt60eZcQ@mail.gmail.com>
[not found] ` < 20130810184211.GA1500@rathaus.eclipse.co.uk>
2013-08-11 2:04 ` Duncan
2013-08-09 8:46 ` [gentoo-dev] Re: Multiple implementations shouldn't block Gentoo's progress. Stabilize package combinations? Tom Wijsman
2013-08-09 8:58 ` Samuli Suominen
2013-08-09 9:53 ` Tom Wijsman
2013-08-08 18:58 ` [gentoo-dev] Gnome Stabilization 3.6 or 3.8 Samuli Suominen
2013-08-08 19:01 ` Alon Bar-Lev
2013-08-08 18:26 ` Tom Wijsman
2013-08-08 18:38 ` Alon Bar-Lev
2013-08-08 19:03 ` Tom Wijsman
2013-08-08 19:02 ` Rich Freeman
2013-08-08 19:22 ` Tom Wijsman
2013-08-09 2:03 ` William Hubbs
2013-08-09 7:36 ` Gilles Dartiguelongue
2013-08-09 9:30 ` hasufell
2013-08-09 10:27 ` Rich Freeman
2013-08-09 11:31 ` Patrick Lauer
2013-08-09 11:26 ` Tom Wijsman
2013-08-09 11:39 ` Patrick Lauer
2013-08-09 11:38 ` Pacho Ramos
2013-08-09 12:14 ` vivo75
2013-08-09 13:54 ` Michał Górny
2013-08-09 16:38 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2013-08-10 19:57 ` vivo75
2013-08-09 16:17 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2013-08-09 20:43 ` Samuli Suominen
2013-08-09 11:45 ` Tom Wijsman
2013-08-09 13:57 ` Michał Górny
2013-08-09 19:11 ` Ben de Groot
2013-08-09 19:15 ` Matt Turner
2013-08-09 19:17 ` Michał Górny
2013-08-09 20:32 ` Tom Wijsman
2013-08-09 23:32 ` Mike Auty
2013-08-10 0:03 ` Tom Wijsman
2013-08-10 10:51 ` Patrick Lauer
2013-08-10 10:59 ` Rich Freeman
2013-08-10 11:12 ` Alon Bar-Lev
2013-08-10 11:38 ` Tom Wijsman
2013-08-09 11:37 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2013-08-09 11:58 ` Tom Wijsman
2013-08-10 10:50 ` Patrick Lauer
2013-08-10 11:40 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2013-08-09 12:28 ` Rich Freeman
2013-08-09 14:22 ` Alon Bar-Lev
2013-08-09 14:44 ` Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn
2013-08-09 14:50 ` Alon Bar-Lev
2013-08-09 14:51 ` Arun Raghavan
2013-08-09 14:57 ` Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn
2013-08-09 15:02 ` Alon Bar-Lev
2013-08-09 15:25 ` hasufell [this message]
2013-08-09 16:12 ` Tom Wijsman
2013-08-09 15:12 ` Tom Wijsman
2013-08-10 11:04 ` Patrick Lauer
2013-08-10 11:42 ` Tom Wijsman
2013-08-10 11:51 ` Michael Weber
2013-08-10 16:50 ` William Hubbs
2013-08-09 16:43 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2013-08-09 14:59 ` Tom Wijsman
2013-08-10 11:03 ` Patrick Lauer
2013-08-10 11:52 ` Tom Wijsman
2013-08-09 17:45 ` William Hubbs
2013-08-10 10:55 ` Patrick Lauer
2013-08-10 11:12 ` Rich Freeman
2013-08-10 11:59 ` Tom Wijsman
2013-08-10 12:16 ` Ben Kohler
2013-08-09 13:44 ` Samuli Suominen
2013-08-09 12:36 ` hasufell
2013-08-09 13:13 ` Tom Wijsman
2013-08-10 19:34 ` [gentoo-dev] " Steven J. Long
2013-08-10 19:49 ` Tom Wijsman
2013-08-23 13:27 ` Steven J. Long
2013-08-23 15:54 ` Tom Wijsman
2013-08-09 13:49 ` [gentoo-dev] " Samuli Suominen
2013-08-09 14:40 ` Alon Bar-Lev
2013-08-09 15:42 ` Tom Wijsman
2013-08-09 16:35 ` Samuli Suominen
2013-08-09 17:06 ` Samuli Suominen
2013-08-09 10:42 ` Tom Wijsman
2013-09-11 9:41 ` Olav Vitters
2013-09-11 11:15 ` Pacho Ramos
2013-08-08 18:12 ` Tom Wijsman
2013-08-09 0:27 ` Patrick Lauer
2013-08-09 3:08 ` Rich Freeman
2013-08-09 9:16 ` Tom Wijsman
2013-08-09 14:57 ` Walter Dnes
2013-08-09 15:47 ` Tom Wijsman
2013-08-10 4:03 ` Walter Dnes
2013-08-10 6:54 ` Samuli Suominen
2013-08-08 15:26 ` Rich Freeman
2013-08-08 16:05 ` Alex Xu
2013-08-08 16:09 ` William Hubbs
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2013-08-08 6:21 ` [gentoo-dev] " Duncan
2013-08-08 6:26 ` Daniel Campbell
2013-08-08 7:05 ` KDE/semantic-desktop, was: " Andreas K. Huettel
2013-08-08 14:59 ` [gentoo-dev] Re: KDE/semantic-desktop Martin Vaeth
2013-08-08 17:44 ` Martin Vaeth
2013-08-08 17:52 ` Rich Freeman
2013-08-08 18:15 ` Chris Reffett
2013-08-08 9:45 ` [gentoo-dev] Re: Gnome Stabilization 3.6 or 3.8 hasufell
2013-08-08 11:23 ` Rich Freeman
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2013-08-08 8:27 ` Duncan
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[not found] ` <pan$f2635$5ee40939$18f8a55$7afd54a5@cox.net >
2013-08-08 8:33 ` Duncan
2013-08-07 15:16 ` [gentoo-dev] " Pacho Ramos
2013-08-08 6:19 ` Daniel Campbell
2013-08-08 15:13 ` William Hubbs
2013-08-08 9:39 ` Ben de Groot
2013-08-08 9:49 ` Tom Wijsman
2013-08-08 10:38 ` Samuli Suominen
2013-08-08 20:40 ` Mike Auty
2013-08-08 21:06 ` Pacho Ramos
2013-08-09 0:17 ` Mike Auty
2013-08-09 0:26 ` Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn
2013-08-09 6:24 ` Pacho Ramos
2013-08-09 9:26 ` Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn
2013-08-09 9:51 ` Pacho Ramos
2013-08-09 10:22 ` Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn
2013-08-09 10:35 ` Pacho Ramos
2013-08-11 5:41 ` Samuli Suominen
2013-08-11 7:31 ` Pacho Ramos
2013-08-11 7:51 ` Samuli Suominen
2013-08-11 11:14 ` Rich Freeman
2013-08-11 8:02 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2013-08-08 23:19 ` Greg KH
2013-08-09 0:26 ` Mike Auty
2013-08-09 9:35 ` Tom Wijsman
2013-08-09 22:46 ` Mike Auty
2013-08-10 22:42 ` Wulf C. Krueger
2013-08-10 23:10 ` Mike Auty
2013-08-10 23:45 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2013-08-11 1:15 ` Mike Auty
2013-08-11 1:42 ` Rich Freeman
2013-08-11 0:01 ` Tom Wijsman
2013-08-11 13:41 ` Walter Dnes
2013-08-11 14:03 ` Walter Dnes
2013-08-09 0:25 ` Michael Weber
2013-08-09 5:29 ` Samuli Suominen
2013-08-09 6:28 ` Pacho Ramos
2013-08-09 6:27 ` Pacho Ramos
2013-08-10 19:57 ` Roy Bamford
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