Re: [gentoo-dev] Gnome Stabilization 3.6 or 3.8

[Ian Stakenvicius <axs@gentoo.org>]

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On 08/08/13 12:13 PM, Pacho Ramos wrote:
> El jue, 08-08-2013 a las 12:02 -0400, Rich Freeman escribió:
>> On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 11:40 AM, Ian Stakenvicius
>> <axs@gentoo.org> wrote:
>>> It may be pertinent for this reason (a "smoother" upgrade path)
>>> and this reason alone, to stabilize gnome-3.6 first -- just to
>>> get into gnome3 (and get gnome-2 removed) without having to
>>> also deal with the systemd migration at the same time.
>> 
>> I'd defer to Pacho who seems to be giving thought to planning for
>> the upgrade path.
>> 
>> My suggestion would be that it would make more sense to first
>> switch to systemd running the current gnome.  Switching to
>> systemd is really the harder change here, and systemd works just
>> fine with earlier versions of gnome AFAIK.  There are already
>> migration guides for systemd (though I haven't tried them
>> recently - the last time I did I got burned by the fact that
>> dhcpcd doesn't run by default as it does in openrc-oldnet (or
>> whatever we're going to call it)).  Migrating to systemd on a
>> system that doesn't run many services isn't actually that hard.
>> The biggest pain is hunting down unit files if you have a lot of
>> things that don't provide them, and doing all the config
>> (anything in /etc/conf.d basically needs a redo).
>> 
>> Rich
>> 
>> 
> 
> In my case, I updated from 2.32 to 3.7.9x and, some weeks ago,
> moved from openrc to systemd. I don't know how is systemd working
> with 2.32 then.
> 
> My idea would be to suggest to do all at the same time -> once all
> is ready and Gnome 3.8 is stabilized, people will see a news item
> telling them that they need to update their systems (telling them
> how to skip blockers and such things) and pointing them to migrate
> to systemd after that (and finally reboot).
> 
> Regarding the blockers, we are working about how to handle them in
> a better way currently (or, at least, explain people how to skip
> them). About migration to systemd, I have followed: 
> http://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Systemd
> 
> without any problems. Most of the problems comes from packages
> still not providing unit files in their stable versions (that tries
> to be covered in
> https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=unit-in-stable before
> Gnome 3.8 hits stable, that way people will have a better working
> systemd setup)
> 
> 

Somewhat related question -- a new(?) profile was mentioned as being
required for gnome-3 ; if this is definitely happening, would it be a
good idea to mask gnome in the other profiles?  Would that help with
the migration or just cause more issues?



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