From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 089581381F3 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2013 15:40:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 64D71E0ACE; Thu, 8 Aug 2013 15:40:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8FAD2E0ABA for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2013 15:40:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.160] (CPE002401f30b73-CM001cea3ddad8.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com [99.224.181.112]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: axs) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 6D1F333EA45 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2013 15:40:46 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <5203BC0A.4030205@gentoo.org> Date: Thu, 08 Aug 2013 11:40:58 -0400 From: Ian Stakenvicius User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130628 Thunderbird/17.0.7 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Gnome Stabilization 3.6 or 3.8 References: <5202416C.5@gentoo.org> <1375881254.7753.41.camel@rook> <5202DD20.8050906@gentoo.org> <5203A880.1050306@gentoo.org> <5203B190.80306@gentoo.org> <5203B660.30807@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <5203B660.30807@gmail.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.6a1pre Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: 7ced62e8-809a-4402-8544-332f9ae84b0c X-Archives-Hash: 34ace72b924529502e82ae046978823e -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 On 08/08/13 11:16 AM, Damien Levac wrote: > Just a user point of view: > > When a user decide to restrict the packages on his system to > "stable", I think the user expect stability in the sense works > properly under most (if not all) situations. That makes a lot of sense, and on that basis keeping gnome-3.8+ in ~arch is probably not warranted. HOWEVER, part of keeping things stable is also a stable upgrade path, and -at least at this point- it is -not- trivial to go from gnome-2/openrc to gnome-3.8/systemd without a fair bit of work on the part of the end-user. Before anything does go stable, I implore our gnome devs to provide cut-and-paste level instructions to do the upgrade, or provide a tool to help significantly (if not fully) automate the process. Our stable users should be able to emerge -uDN without spending massive amounts of time and who-knows-how-many reboots to resolve the blockages. It may be pertinent for this reason (a "smoother" upgrade path) and this reason alone, to stabilize gnome-3.6 first -- just to get into gnome3 (and get gnome-2 removed) without having to also deal with the systemd migration at the same time. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.20 (GNU/Linux) iF4EAREIAAYFAlIDvAoACgkQ2ugaI38ACPC8WQD/cUNKSx0mf6ELG77RWOfwresP 2zjG+sPTvQhiZtZd2PsA/ipgGei3j/CmcJooORwqjl3w9eztr90tSeTaoHtm+gdh =LGcF -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----