Re: [gentoo-dev] Gnome Stabilization 3.6 or 3.8

[Patrick Lauer <patrick@gentoo.org>]

On 08/08/2013 10:01 PM, Fabio Erculiani wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 1:49 AM, Patrick Lauer <patrick@gentoo.org> wrote:
>>
>> Seeing the noise in #gentoo from people getting whacked in the kidney by
>> the systemd sidegrade ... that's a very optimistic decision.
> 
> Yes it is, because our policy has always been to follow upstream as
> much as possible. So your sarcasm is not fun.

What sarcasm?

Any users trying this sidegrade will be left without support and risk
being ridiculed by annoyed bystanders.

... and that's with our improved tolerant stance of, well, tolerating
this madness instead of Just Saying No.

>>
>> It'll cause lots of pain for users that suddenly can't start lvm
>> properly and other nasty landmines hidden in the "upgrade path". By
>> stabilizing this early you're causing lots of extra work for others.
> 
> How much time did you spend on trying to make GNOME 3.8 work with openrc?
I quit caring for gnome years ago, when every upgrade broke basic stuff
like icons, or copy&paste, and upstream actively removed the features I
relied on because You Don't Need That.

I have no interest in enabling such an abusive relationship.

> Because I spent so much that I ended up suggesting the GNOME team to
> require systemd.
> And systemd is the only thing that at this time, properly works with
> current and future GNOME releases. And GNOME 3.8 is at this time, only
> fully working with systemd (fully: if you don't think you need to be
> able to shutdown your computer and have proper session management...
> well, I'd remove the "fully" word myself.)

Well then, bye bye GnomeOS.

And to think that it wouldn't even be that much work for upstream to
allow deviant behaviour ... so much time and motivation lost for no real
reason.

Le Sigh :)