From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0E731381F3 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2013 09:29:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 59B4FE0C69; Thu, 8 Aug 2013 09:29:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 88A92E0C4E for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2013 09:29:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.4.5] (blfd-4d08288a.pool.mediaWays.net [77.8.40.138]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: hasufell) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 5D5CC33BF13 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2013 09:29:11 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <520364E2.7030406@gentoo.org> Date: Thu, 08 Aug 2013 11:29:06 +0200 From: hasufell User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130805 Thunderbird/17.0.7 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Gnome Stabilization 3.6 or 3.8 References: <5202416C.5@gentoo.org> <1375881254.7753.41.camel@rook> <5202DD20.8050906@gentoo.org> In-Reply-To: <5202DD20.8050906@gentoo.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.6a1pre Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: d48d1846-d215-4571-8514-1abfb41cfe45 X-Archives-Hash: 4d44d22c3997fc7eec9a60101ce2fac2 On 08/08/2013 01:49 AM, Patrick Lauer wrote: > On 08/07/2013 09:14 PM, Alexandre Rostovtsev wrote: >> On Wed, 2013-08-07 at 14:45 +0200, Michael Weber wrote: >>> Greetings, >>> >>> Gnome Herd decided to target stablilization of 3.8 [1] which requires >>> systemd. >>> >>> What are the reasons to stable 3.8 and not 3.6, a version w/o this >>> restriction, enabling all non systemd users to profit from this >>> eye-candy as well. >>> >>> I raise the freedom of choice card here. And deliberately choosing an >>> uncooperative version doesn't shine a good light. >>> >>> Facts, pls! >>> >>> Michael >>> >>> [1] https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=478252 >> >> To stabilize gnome-3.6, we would need >> 1. one or (preferably) two *active* gentoo developers; >> 2. who are familiar with gnome's internals and are able to backport >> bugfixes from 3.8/3.10 without support from upstream developers; and >> 3. who volunteer to run openrc+gnome-3.6 for a long time on their main >> machines so that they can give a stable 3.6 the support that the word >> 'stable' implies. >> >> We do not have such people on the gnome team. >> > > Seeing the noise in #gentoo from people getting whacked in the kidney by > the systemd sidegrade ... that's a very optimistic decision. > > It'll cause lots of pain for users that suddenly can't start lvm > properly and other nasty landmines hidden in the "upgrade path". By > stabilizing this early you're causing lots of extra work for others. > > I hope you understand that some of us will be very rude and just suggest > to unmerge gnome on all support requests as it now moves outside our > support range ... > > Have a nice day, > > Patrick > > > +1 Stabilizing it is wrong. Leave it in ~arch forever, because it is incompatible with system packages. (virtual/service-manager)