[gentoo-dev] new category: games-adventure/

[gentoo-dev] new category: games-adventure/

[hasufell]

move:
1. games-rpg/bass
2. games-rpg/drascula
3. games-rpg/lure
4. games-rpg/queen
5. games-rpg/penumbra-collection
6. games-puzzle/larry
7. games-rpg/egoboo
8. games-misc/wumpus
9. games-action/swordandsworcery
10. games-action/solar2

any objections? Will commit in 1 week if no one replies.

Re: [gentoo-dev] new category: games-adventure/

[Diego Elio Pettenò]

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I would object... 10 games are wayyyy too few for a new category and
especially pkg moves..

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Re: [gentoo-dev] new category: games-adventure/

[hasufell]

On 07/14/2013 06:26 PM, Diego Elio Pettenò wrote:
> I would object... 10 games are wayyyy too few for a new category and
> especially pkg moves..
> 

1	app-antivirus/
3	net-zope/
5	x11-base/
7	gpe-utils/
8	app-officeext/
11	net-voip/
12	games-kids/
12	gnustep-libs/
13	mail-mta/
13	dev-ada/

Re: [gentoo-dev] new category: games-adventure/

[Diego Elio Pettenò]

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And? Two wrongs don't make a right.

And I've said the same for any other proposed category like that.

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Re: [gentoo-dev] new category: games-adventure/

[Peter Stuge]

Diego,

hasufell wrote:
> > I would object... 10 games are wayyyy too few for a new category and
> > especially pkg moves..
> 
> 1	app-antivirus/
> 3	net-zope/
> 5	x11-base/
> 7	gpe-utils/
> 8	app-officeext/
> 11	net-voip/
> 12	games-kids/
> 12	gnustep-libs/
> 13	mail-mta/
> 13	dev-ada/

Diego Elio Pettenò wrote:
> And? Two wrongs don't make a right.

What do you mean by "And?" - it doesn't make much sense as a reply. :\

I think you need to become much more specific in order to participate
in the discussion.

"Two wrongs don't make a right." implies that you can not imagine any
exception to the (whose?) rule for how many packages are the minimum
allowed in a category.

It suggests a lack of fingerspitzgefühl needed to detect when a
particular rule is actually wrong, which I think is the case here,
if x11-base and the other above categories are all wrong.

Sometimes it is the rule that needs to change, you know?


//Peter

Re: [gentoo-dev] new category: games-adventure/

[Matt Turner]

On Sun, Jul 14, 2013 at 10:15 AM, Peter Stuge <peter@stuge.se> wrote:
> Diego,
>
> hasufell wrote:
>> > I would object... 10 games are wayyyy too few for a new category and
>> > especially pkg moves..
>>
>> 1     app-antivirus/
>> 3     net-zope/
>> 5     x11-base/
>> 7     gpe-utils/
>> 8     app-officeext/
>> 11    net-voip/
>> 12    games-kids/
>> 12    gnustep-libs/
>> 13    mail-mta/
>> 13    dev-ada/
>
> Diego Elio Pettenò wrote:
>> And? Two wrongs don't make a right.
>
> What do you mean by "And?" - it doesn't make much sense as a reply. :\

He means that none of those provide justification. Are you being
intentionally obtuse?

Re: [gentoo-dev] new category: games-adventure/

[Peter Stuge]

Matt Turner wrote:
> >> And? Two wrongs don't make a right.
> >
> > What do you mean by "And?" - it doesn't make much sense as a reply. :\
> 
> He means that none of those provide justification.

It seemed that the main argument was that there are too few packages
and then then I do think that other categories with few(er!) packages
provide lots of justification. But in any case I too feel that number
of packages is secondary to "what makes sense" AKA "a correct model"..


> Are you being intentionally obtuse?

Why would I? I'm making an effort to understand what was intended
to be communicated, because what was actually communicated makes
no sense to me. :\


//Peter

Re: [gentoo-dev] new category: games-adventure/

[Rich Freeman]

On Sun, Jul 14, 2013 at 1:33 PM, Peter Stuge <peter@stuge.se> wrote:
> Matt Turner wrote:
>> >> And? Two wrongs don't make a right.
>> >
>> > What do you mean by "And?" - it doesn't make much sense as a reply. :\
>>
>> He means that none of those provide justification.
>
> It seemed that the main argument was that there are too few packages
> and then then I do think that other categories with few(er!) packages
> provide lots of justification.

I think it is a data point.  However, decisions need to make sense on
their own, not merely in the sense that they're similar to past
decisions.  I think continuity has some value, but not on its own.

In any case, I consider a small number of packages in a category as a
warning that something is probably wrong, not really an end-reason for
rejecting a course of action.  If the category is just immature and
likely to grow then a small number of packages isn't a big deal.  If
the number is small because the category isn't well-defined or adds
little value, then that is a reason to stop.

Rich

Re: [gentoo-dev] new category: games-adventure/

[Rich Freeman]

On Sun, Jul 14, 2013 at 1:02 PM, Diego Elio Pettenò
<flameeyes@flameeyes.eu> wrote:
> And? Two wrongs don't make a right.
>
> And I've said the same for any other proposed category like that.

I agree that precedence alone isn't really a good basis for this.  I
don't really have concerns with the initial category size so much as
the general lack of a definition for this category.

Just what do wumpus (talk about a blast from the past), a game "in the
spirit of nethack," and a Leisure Suit Larry spinoff have in common?
I imagine most games have some kind of adventure sense to them.

If somebody can outline some kind of organizational strategy here it
would probably make sense.

Rich

Re: [gentoo-dev] new category: games-adventure/

[Peter Stuge]

Rich Freeman wrote:
> Just what do wumpus (talk about a blast from the past), a game "in the
> spirit of nethack," and a Leisure Suit Larry spinoff have in common?

I'd say it's that they focus on exploration.


> I imagine most games have some kind of adventure sense to them.

Puzzles and 52-card games maybe not so much, but I think a good
metric is how much the gameplay focuses on the adventure/exploration
compared to other elements.

But - deciding whether a game is an adventure game or not is
fortunately nothing that Gentoo needs to concern itself with,
this is already done by the publisher, and I think that everybody
interested in a game (dunno if Diego is one?) already knows what
category they consider it to belong to. Gentoo should where possible
not introduce elements of surprise, but simply model categories
according to how the world *already* organizes them.

I don't think anyone can dispute that there exists a genre called
adventure games..

(Much like there exists a software genre called X11 window managers..)


//Peter

Re: [gentoo-dev] new category: games-adventure/

[Diego Elio Pettenò]

On 14/07/2013 18:26, Peter Stuge wrote:
> I don't think anyone can dispute that there exists a genre called
> adventure games..

How comes scummvm is not in the list then? Just saying.

Seriously, a category for 10 games is *not* a good idea. There is at
least one (scummvm) who could fit there. Not sure if we have rainslick
still in tree but it would fit as well.

Maybe consider adding a few more, and if we reach the 20 games I
wouldn't object.

But 10 are way too few, and a roguelike would *not* fit in the genre to
begin with.

-- 
Diego Elio Pettenò — Flameeyes
flameeyes@flameeyes.eu — http://blog.flameeyes.eu/

Re: [gentoo-dev] new category: games-adventure/

[Rich Freeman]

On Sun, Jul 14, 2013 at 1:29 PM, Diego Elio Pettenò
<flameeyes@flameeyes.eu> wrote:
> On 14/07/2013 18:26, Peter Stuge wrote:
>> I don't think anyone can dispute that there exists a genre called
>> adventure games..
>
> How comes scummvm is not in the list then? Just saying.
>
> Seriously, a category for 10 games is *not* a good idea. There is at
> least one (scummvm) who could fit there. Not sure if we have rainslick
> still in tree but it would fit as well.

Makes sense.

If somebody wants to clean up the games categories I think a better
place to start is to just list all the games and assign every one to a
logical category, rather than just doing it piecemeal.  Obviously we
could give some weight to the status quo, but I think that dramatic
change that at least makes sense would get us to a better place than
just picking a dozen packages here and there and moving them.

I have nothing against an adventure category - I guess I'm just more
concerned with how we're populating it.  One of the advantages of
planning ahead is that for all we know just having one general
adventure category might put too many packages in it.

Rich

Re: [gentoo-dev] new category: games-adventure/

[hasufell]

On 07/14/2013 07:29 PM, Diego Elio Pettenò wrote:
> On 14/07/2013 18:26, Peter Stuge wrote:
>> I don't think anyone can dispute that there exists a genre called
>> adventure games..
> 
> How comes scummvm is not in the list then? Just saying.

Because it's an engine.

Scummvm games are already in the list I provided.

> 
> Maybe consider adding a few more, and if we reach the 20 games I
> wouldn't object.

I don't see the point in that, but I have no interest in bikeshedding
and this thread is already drifting in that direction.

> 
> But 10 are way too few, and a roguelike would *not* fit in the genre to
> begin with.

Right, egoboo does not fit.


On 07/14/2013 07:17 PM, Rich Freeman wrote:> If somebody can outline
some kind of organizational strategy here it
> would probably make sense.
>

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adventure_game

The description would be pretty similar to the first section of that link.

Re: [gentoo-dev] new category: games-adventure/

[Peter Stuge]

Diego Elio Pettenò wrote:
> > I don't think anyone can dispute that there exists a genre called
> > adventure games..
> 
> How comes scummvm is not in the list then? Just saying.

Yep, it could also be included! OTOH the VM itself isn't technically
a game.


> Seriously, a category for 10 games is *not* a good idea.

I bet you a tasty beverage that it will grow over time! :)


> Maybe consider adding a few more, and if we reach the 20 games I
> wouldn't object.
> 
> But 10 are way too few,

So your number is 20. My number and the number of at least one other
is lower.


> and a roguelike would *not* fit in the genre to begin with.

Says you, while I and at least one other say that such a game does
have strong focus on adventure/exploration.

Wikipedia says "Rogue is a dungeon crawling video game" and, well,
dungeon crawling seems like an adventure to me..


//Peter

Re: [gentoo-dev] new category: games-adventure/

[Diego Elio Pettenò]

On 14/07/2013 18:42, Peter Stuge wrote:
> I bet you a tasty beverage that it will grow over time! :)

I don't believe in the future until I can see it. I'm pretty sure that's
the same thing that they said about app-antivirus at some point (can
somebody _kill_ that category please?!)

> So your number is 20. My number and the number of at least one other
> is lower.

Yes, but unlike you, I'm a developer that needs to pick up the pieces.

>> and a roguelike would *not* fit in the genre to begin with.
> 
> Says you, while I and at least one other say that such a game does
> have strong focus on adventure/exploration.

So either Matt is right or you should really refrain to posting without
having a clue about what is being discussed.

**We have a frigging games-roguelike category!**

-- 
Diego Elio Pettenò — Flameeyes
flameeyes@flameeyes.eu — http://blog.flameeyes.eu/

Re: [gentoo-dev] new category: games-adventure/

[Peter Stuge]

Diego Elio Pettenò wrote:
> > I bet you a tasty beverage that it will grow over time! :)
> 
> I don't believe in the future until I can see it.

Huh - what does that mean?

Obviously neither of us can say with certainty what will happen in
the future and that's also not the point - making a friendly bet that
nobody suffers from losing is an easy way for both sides to approach
each other (helps if working in the same project) while at the same
time stating their respective points.


> I'm pretty sure that's the same thing that they said about
> app-antivirus at some point

Maybe, but there are a lot more games than there are antivirus apps.


> > So your number is 20. My number and the number of at least one other
> > is lower.
> 
> Yes, but unlike you, I'm a developer that needs to pick up the pieces.

I don't buy that. If someone else makes b0rk then they need to pick
up the pieces themselves, not you do it for them.


> >> and a roguelike would *not* fit in the genre to begin with.
> > 
> > Says you, while I and at least one other say that such a game does
> > have strong focus on adventure/exploration.
> 
> So either Matt is right or you should really refrain to posting
> without having a clue about what is being discussed.

Have a look at this:

http://www.netbooknews.com/wp-content/2011/07/the-pyramid-of-debate-550x417.jpg

The central point in the above snippet is where roguelike games belong.

It seems that Diego fell down the pyramid to an Ad Hominem. :\ It's
super easy, I know - I've fallen often enough myself, but please do
stick with talking about the point instead of talking about me.


> **We have a frigging games-roguelike category!**

Several posters already pointed out that such a category probably
isn't a very good model. I'm guessing that most if not all of the
games in there would fit great in games-adventure instead.


Thanks

//Peter

[gentoo-dev] Re: new category: games-adventure/

[Steven J. Long]

Diego Elio Pettenò wrote:
> I don't believe in the future until I can see it. I'm pretty sure that's
> the same thing that they said about app-antivirus at some point (can
> somebody _kill_ that category please?!)

Since it's clearly been bothering you for a while, why haven't you done anything,
instead of waiting to randomly declaim to the wider pool, about it?

After all you're "a developer that needs to pick up the pieces." Fix it yourself,
already.

-- 
#friendly-coders -- We're friendly, but we're not /that/ friendly ;-)

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: new category: games-adventure/

[Ciaran McCreesh]

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On Mon, 15 Jul 2013 14:45:08 +0100
"Steven J. Long" <slong@rathaus.eclipse.co.uk> wrote:
> Diego Elio Pettenò wrote:
> > I don't believe in the future until I can see it. I'm pretty sure
> > that's the same thing that they said about app-antivirus at some
> > point (can somebody _kill_ that category please?!)
> 
> Since it's clearly been bothering you for a while, why haven't you
> done anything, instead of waiting to randomly declaim to the wider
> pool, about it?
> 
> After all you're "a developer that needs to pick up the pieces." Fix
> it yourself, already.

Package moves are a huge pain and suffer all kinds of technical
limitations. In particular, once something's moved, it can't be moved
back.

-- 
Ciaran McCreesh

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Re: [gentoo-dev] new category: games-adventure/

[Luca Barbato]

On 07/14/2013 07:47 PM, Diego Elio Pettenò wrote:
> On 14/07/2013 18:42, Peter Stuge wrote:
>> I bet you a tasty beverage that it will grow over time! :)
> 
> I don't believe in the future until I can see it. I'm pretty sure that's
> the same thing that they said about app-antivirus at some point (can
> somebody _kill_ that category please?!)

Or maybe populate it by adding few more. I guess there isn't much
interest or clamav is really that good.

lu

[gentoo-dev] Re: new category: games-adventure/

[Michael Palimaka]

On 15/07/2013 03:17, Rich Freeman wrote:
> I agree that precedence alone isn't really a good basis for this.  I
> don't really have concerns with the initial category size so much as
> the general lack of a definition for this category.

I agree. The boundaries between games-rpg and games-adventure, and to a 
lesser extent games-action are not necessarily clear.

How about proposing the category description, and maybe extending the 
description of the existing categories?

Re: [gentoo-dev] new category: games-adventure/

[Ulrich Mueller]

>>>>> On Sun, 14 Jul 2013, hasufell  wrote:

> On 07/14/2013 06:26 PM, Diego Elio Pettenò wrote:
>> I would object... 10 games are wayyyy too few for a new category and
>> especially pkg moves..

> 1	app-antivirus/
> 3	net-zope/
> 5	x11-base/
> 7	gpe-utils/
> 8	app-officeext/
> 11	net-voip/
> 12	games-kids/
> 12	gnustep-libs/
> 13	mail-mta/
> 13	dev-ada/

I tend to agree with Diego.

If you want to split games-misc, then moving the 42 fortune-mod*
packages into their own category would make more sense. That would
leave 31 packages in games-misc which really isn't overcrowded.

Ulrich

Re: [gentoo-dev] new category: games-adventure/

[Damien Levac]

As a user, I have always wondered what was the rational for the current
game categories and thought it should splitted in a more standard way.
What immediately comes to mind as a "decent" way to split games is the
wikipedia page for video game genres:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Video_game_genres

That would make 7 categories and the game description could include the
subcategory if necessary.
If a subcategory grows too large, it could justify making it its own
category.

Then, the maintainers only needs to follow the description of each genre
to place the game in the appropriate category.

But this is just a suggestion, the games-adventure category makes sense
by itself IMHO.

Damien

On 07/14/13 13:23, Ulrich Mueller wrote:
>>>>>> On Sun, 14 Jul 2013, hasufell  wrote:
>> On 07/14/2013 06:26 PM, Diego Elio Pettenò wrote:
>>> I would object... 10 games are wayyyy too few for a new category and
>>> especially pkg moves..
>> 1	app-antivirus/
>> 3	net-zope/
>> 5	x11-base/
>> 7	gpe-utils/
>> 8	app-officeext/
>> 11	net-voip/
>> 12	games-kids/
>> 12	gnustep-libs/
>> 13	mail-mta/
>> 13	dev-ada/
> I tend to agree with Diego.
>
> If you want to split games-misc, then moving the 42 fortune-mod*
> packages into their own category would make more sense. That would
> leave 31 packages in games-misc which really isn't overcrowded.
>
> Ulrich
>

[gentoo-dev] Re: new category: games-adventure/

[Michael Palimaka]

On 15/07/2013 03:38, Damien Levac wrote:
> What immediately comes to mind as a "decent" way to split games is the
> wikipedia page for video game genres:
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Video_game_genres
>
> That would make 7 categories and the game description could include the
> subcategory if necessary.
> If a subcategory grows too large, it could justify making it its own
> category.

I like that idea. At the very least, the information there could serve 
as a starting point to improve the description of existing categories 
("The games-action category contains action games." isn't particularly 
informative).

Re: [gentoo-dev] new category: games-adventure/

[Donnie Berkholz]

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On 17:26 Sun 14 Jul     , Diego Elio Pettenò wrote:
> I would object... 10 games are wayyyy too few for a new category and 
> especially pkg moves..

I wrote a script years ago to make recommendations for this. I just 
updated it to do things a little smarter. It bases its suggestions on 
percentiles of existing category sizes.

http://dev.gentoo.org/~dberkholz/scripts/category-size

$ category-size

Statistics for /usr/portage:
Median packages per category = 51
Suggested category size (25%–75%): 18 to 91
Split categories with more than 91 packages, and do not create categories with fewer than 18 packages.

-- 
Thanks,
Donnie

Donnie Berkholz
Council Member / Sr. Developer, Gentoo Linux <http://dberkholz.com>
Analyst, RedMonk <http://redmonk.com/dberkholz/>

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[gentoo-dev] Re: new category: games-adventure/

[Ryan Hill]

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On Sun, 14 Jul 2013 00:13:17 +0200
hasufell <hasufell@gentoo.org> wrote:

> move:
> 1. games-rpg/bass
> 2. games-rpg/drascula
> 3. games-rpg/lure
> 4. games-rpg/queen
> 5. games-rpg/penumbra-collection
> 6. games-puzzle/larry
> 7. games-rpg/egoboo
> 8. games-misc/wumpus
> 9. games-action/swordandsworcery
> 10. games-action/solar2
> 
> any objections? Will commit in 1 week if no one replies.

The only opinions that matters on this is the game team's.  You will not commit
this in 1 week if no one replies, only with express approval by them.


-- 
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   gcc-porting/toolchain/wxwidgets @ gentoo.org

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: new category: games-adventure/

[hasufell]

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On 07/15/2013 10:19 PM, Ryan Hill wrote:
> On Sun, 14 Jul 2013 00:13:17 +0200 hasufell <hasufell@gentoo.org>
> wrote:
> 
>> move: 1. games-rpg/bass 2. games-rpg/drascula 3. games-rpg/lure 
>> 4. games-rpg/queen 5. games-rpg/penumbra-collection 6.
>> games-puzzle/larry 7. games-rpg/egoboo 8. games-misc/wumpus 9.
>> games-action/swordandsworcery 10. games-action/solar2
>> 
>> any objections? Will commit in 1 week if no one replies.
> 
> The only opinions that matters on this is the game team's.  You
> will not commit this in 1 week if no one replies, only with express
> approval by them.
> 
> 

Thanks for the info.

It was discussed with the games team way before I gave the chance for
people to do some bikeshedding here.
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: new category: games-adventure/

[Tom Wijsman]

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TL;DR: Filter signal from the noise; look at the big picture, choose
wisely and decide for Gentoo. If you proceed, fill the category... :)

On Mon, 15 Jul 2013 22:27:26 +0200
hasufell <hasufell@gentoo.org> wrote:

> It was discussed with the games team way before I gave the chance for
> people to do some bikeshedding here.

If you refer to this thread as "bikeshed on dev-ML" before posting it;
I would not be surprised it ends up with bikeshedding, it is in first
instance a result of the way you post it and the replies you expect.

> > > any objections? Will commit in 1 week if no one replies.

Why would we post actual objections? You commit it regardless of that.
Very strictly; you wouldn't commit this, since we replied. But yeah,
you see that that doesn't work out; so this statement is meaningless.

I don't favor a side before or against; I just would like to see
requests similar to these filed and dealt with in a more appropriate
and consistent matter, instead of inviting people to and people
participating with bikeshedding.

Not singling you out here, because there are two sides needed to a
bikeshedding discussion; and this is really not the only bikeshedding
discussion we have seen in a while. Well, is it really bikeshedding?

As a summary; Diego and Donnie and Ulrich both think it is too small,
Rich and Peter would like to see some organization happen, Ciaran and
Steven got clarified that once you do this you can't easily go back.
Damien and Michael, two users, would like to see genres.

This is all useful feedback; while I guess nobody would really object
unless someone gets frustrated and goes DevRel / Council, I think that
as long as there is no formal easy way to vote (and there is no rule to
take this to Council afaik) that it ends up being your _own_ (not Games)
decision whether you really want to proceed with this or not.

My only opinion on this matter is that I hope you would look at the big
picture; and not just a small pictures of some packages that need to
move, because there is a chance it could end up making the big picture
worse. Well, unless you've looked at the big picture and it improves.

So, assuming you commit; let's try to make the category more useful!

A quick search yields 5 adventure games listed here and there:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_open-source_video_games
http://freegamedev.net/wiki/Complete_open_source_games
http://www.maximumpc.com/article/features/the_five_free_adventure_games_you_should_be_playing_right_now

And once in a while, on an adventure; you find a goldmine:

http://www.linuxlinks.com/Software/Games/Adventure/

Not sure if all are open-source, but this way you can fill the category.

On Mon, 15 Jul 2013 14:19:15 -0600
Ryan Hill <dirtyepic@gentoo.org> wrote:

> > The only opinions that matters on this is the game team's.
> > You will not commit this in 1 week if no one replies, only with
> > express approval by them.

Is that your opinion, or is it an actual rule? Other than serving as a
team to help check your contributions, to discuss with, to ask
questions to; they don't have a final say on this as far as I am aware.

The first response on my very first Gentoo commit was "no random
tossing things into the Games category"; it gave me a false impression
you need to contact people before committing to categories, which is
not at all the case. If I want to contribute to a games category; I'll
be happy to come take a visit first because you provide the service to
review, but I won't see Games' opinion as one that matters the most.

Similarly, when pushing a new category; I don't see what a herd would
have to do with this. Let's say I want to split the net-proxy category
in two; or maybe do some mad category stuff with the kernel, or maybe
something possibly useful with dev-java containing over 550 packages?

Do I really _only_ need to ask my herd about this? I don't think so...

On Mon, 15 Jul 2013 22:27:26 +0200
hasufell <hasufell@gentoo.org> wrote:

> Thanks for the info.

Thanks for listening.

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: new category: games-adventure/

[hasufell]

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On 07/15/2013 11:56 PM, Tom Wijsman wrote:
> 
>>>> any objections? Will commit in 1 week if no one replies.
> 
> Why would we post actual objections? You commit it regardless of
> that. Very strictly; you wouldn't commit this, since we replied.
> But yeah, you see that that doesn't work out; so this statement is
> meaningless.
> 

I do not understand you.

Because people have objections, I will _not_ commit this.

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[gentoo-dev] Re: new category: games-adventure/

[Ryan Hill]

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On Mon, 15 Jul 2013 23:56:40 +0200
Tom Wijsman <TomWij@gentoo.org> wrote:

> On Mon, 15 Jul 2013 22:27:26 +0200
> hasufell <hasufell@gentoo.org> wrote:
> 
> > It was discussed with the games team way before I gave the chance for
> > people to do some bikeshedding here.

Sorry, I missed this.

> On Mon, 15 Jul 2013 14:19:15 -0600
> Ryan Hill <dirtyepic@gentoo.org> wrote:
> 
> > > The only opinions that matters on this is the game team's.
> > > You will not commit this in 1 week if no one replies, only with
> > > express approval by them.

> Is that your opinion, or is it an actual rule? Other than serving as a
> team to help check your contributions, to discuss with, to ask
> questions to; they don't have a final say on this as far as I am aware.

I meant you can't just go and add a category without that team's permission
under a "if no one objects in x days" rule.  You really should have that team's
explicit permission for something like this.

Then it goes to bikeshedlandia.

Which is what happened, so nothing to see here.


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