From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28A2E1381F3 for ; Sat, 22 Jun 2013 19:35:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 420DFE09F2; Sat, 22 Jun 2013 19:35:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-wi0-f180.google.com (mail-wi0-f180.google.com [209.85.212.180]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E00EFE09EC for ; Sat, 22 Jun 2013 19:35:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-wi0-f180.google.com with SMTP id c10so1479968wiw.7 for ; Sat, 22 Jun 2013 12:35:03 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=sender:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject :references:in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=xCPp1oYGOxhSvugNPmHoKTed6SmnGQ8AwYXaWuiwinQ=; b=T3xAq2IFBQJAaNpfMUHyc+5eAXIr6Bxlw5O7Ov+QnzuNG9T/W3E7yt7YlSK+WzoySy aVZ+KSgURXRdn7+nofK1YQZHa7rWx/qf2WRVNrZLer/ROggwEOFPHiHlazVRnOs7vuvN tlyDNnD0M0MhXoQSiA1TtllS+BEVCFUghMNQFp24KT0CsOH0RZhm66CLyQdXMX2S8Gex +mnjyDAGNp0pu+K0r7eAcDmhGsbWMEnA2kYOIGNN40G7p4Bi33JkXqU575OPFfmaCrWQ h4Q/mkPMpryeTiJSeb6kAAy+9EXD2Jgg8kj/Y7rCk/hTJcV8NIREbri1dhWBsCb/N/xj 1LWg== X-Received: by 10.194.249.231 with SMTP id yx7mr12756481wjc.13.1371929703541; Sat, 22 Jun 2013 12:35:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.74] (93-97-149-234.zone5.bethere.co.uk. [93.97.149.234]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id fv11sm5830847wic.11.2013.06.22.12.35.02 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sat, 22 Jun 2013 12:35:02 -0700 (PDT) Sender: Markos Chandras Message-ID: <51C5FC64.1070406@gentoo.org> Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2013 20:35:00 +0100 From: Markos Chandras User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130519 Thunderbird/17.0.6 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Switchup-mode and boottime selector? Was: eselect init References: <51A1F493.90101@gentoo.org> <51A22310.70202@gentoo.org> <20130527224021.GA18963@waltdnes.org> <20130528135619.44259b60@TOMWIJ-GENTOO> <20130529105249.433e57f0@TOMWIJ-GENTOO> <20130529181554.GB23135@waltdnes.org> <20130529215600.0e53c63f@TOMWIJ-GENTOO> <20130529205523.GA6281@linux1> In-Reply-To: <20130529205523.GA6281@linux1> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.6a1pre Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: d1c24e30-09a9-407a-aff7-f254dfe16f51 X-Archives-Hash: 7d566d600956aea1363e877db75ee072 On 05/29/2013 09:55 PM, William Hubbs wrote: > On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 09:56:00PM +0200, Tom Wijsman wrote: >>> There are a couple of other possible approaches... >>> >>> 1) If the 2 systems can achieve peacefull co-existance (i.e. >>> no identically-named files with different contents) then simply >>> have 2 boot entries in /etc/lilo.conf (or grub equivalant)... >>> >>> [SNIP to shorten mail] >> >> Users can already do this, this isn't a solution. >> >> We want to make this easier towards the user, therefore doing >> heavy discussion to exhaust all the alternatives and maybe >> someone's interested in implementing one of them that appears >> most feasible. > > Since users can already do this, why are we bothering with > re-inventing the wheel? How does running an eselect init command > make it easier for the user than telling them to edit their boot > loader config file? > > Gentoo users are expected to build their kernel and write their > boot loader config file initially, so why are we trying to dumb > this down? > > William > There is no harm in providing alternatives. -- Regards, Markos Chandras - Gentoo Linux Developer http://dev.gentoo.org/~hwoarang