From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D85661381F3 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 20:39:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 80EF7E09AA; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 20:39:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7CD12E099F for ; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 20:39:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.154.2] (unknown [78.193.2.193]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: ultrabug) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 5995F33E246 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 2013 20:39:31 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <51B6393B.6020103@gentoo.org> Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2013 22:38:19 +0200 From: Ultrabug User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130509 Thunderbird/17.0.6 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: Moving project pages to wiki.gentoo.org References: <51B48FA1.9080403@gentoo.org> <51B5C85B.3050500@gentoo.org> <51B5ED79.6060007@gentoo.org> In-Reply-To: <51B5ED79.6060007@gentoo.org> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------030804040003060301080509" X-Archives-Salt: 7a27892d-8e42-4985-aa15-e128a18f9583 X-Archives-Hash: 990ee475ddac5555558b06fc64a26e46 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------030804040003060301080509 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On 10/06/2013 17:15, Alex Legler wrote: > On 10.06.2013 14:36, Sergey Popov wrote: >> 09.06.2013 18:22, Alex Legler пишет: >>> I'd appreciate some input on below plan to move project pages to the Wiki: >>> >>> Motivation >>> ---------- >>> >>> The main motivation is to reduce the contents on the main website, >>> allowing for an easier makeover. Also, the Wiki exposes the contents and >>> an editing capability to more people, allowing for better collaboration. >>> Finally, this is an opportunity for projects to go through the contents >>> in their project spaces and update/remove outdated contents as well >>> Gentoo as a whole to remove orphaned projects. >> Err, i do not want to say that wiki is not suite for this purpose, but >> what's wrong with current situation? Is there something wrong with gorg? > The software is unmaintained, and the website template is next to > unmaintainable. I could go on a bit more about this, but I think these > two points *alone* justify moving away from it. > >> Well, it is not always clear how to use some of it's features, but apart >> of that, why we should migrate to wiki? >> >> Just to clear orphaned project pages? > No, I described multiple points. Again: > - Less contents on www.g.o -> we can much more easily relaunch it > - Users can more easily contribute to project documentation > - Update/purge project documentation > - Remove orphaned projects > >> Why we can not just have official project pages, maintained as usual >> through gorg and additional info in wiki(if it is needed, for example, >> like we do on Gentoo Qt project page? >> > In case it wasn't clear enough yet: This is step 1 of n to get rid of > gorg and GuideXML for the website (read: not main docs) aspects of Gentoo. > Running two project page venues increases maintenance instead of > lowering it. I intend to have less work after this change, not more. > > Do you have any concerns beyond 'never change a running system'? +1, totally agree.. It's 2013 duh.. -- Ultrabug Gentoo / cluster --------------030804040003060301080509 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
On 10/06/2013 17:15, Alex Legler wrote:
On 10.06.2013 14:36, Sergey Popov wrote:

09.06.2013 18:22, Alex Legler пишет:

I'd appreciate some input on below plan to move project pages to the Wiki:

Motivation
----------

The main motivation is to reduce the contents on the main website,
allowing for an easier makeover. Also, the Wiki exposes the contents and
an editing capability to more people, allowing for better collaboration.
Finally, this is an opportunity for projects to go through the contents
in their project spaces and update/remove outdated contents as well
Gentoo as a whole to remove orphaned projects.

Err, i do not want to say that wiki is not suite for this purpose, but
what's wrong with current situation? Is there something wrong with gorg?

The software is unmaintained, and the website template is next to
unmaintainable. I could go on a bit more about this, but I think these
two points *alone* justify moving away from it.


Well, it is not always clear how to use some of it's features, but apart
of that, why we should migrate to wiki?

Just to clear orphaned project pages?

No, I described multiple points. Again:
 - Less contents on www.g.o -> we can much more easily relaunch it
 - Users can more easily contribute to project documentation
 - Update/purge project documentation
 - Remove orphaned projects


Why we can not just have official project pages, maintained as usual
through gorg and additional info in wiki(if it is needed, for example,
like we do on Gentoo Qt project page?


In case it wasn't clear enough yet: This is step 1 of n to get rid of
gorg and GuideXML for the website (read: not main docs) aspects of Gentoo.
Running two project page venues increases maintenance instead of
lowering it. I intend to have less work after this change, not more.

Do you have any concerns beyond 'never change a running system'?
+1, totally agree.. It's 2013 duh..
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