From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3D261381F3 for ; Mon, 3 Jun 2013 09:42:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 2DEC6E09DE; Mon, 3 Jun 2013 09:42:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3D1A1E09CD for ; Mon, 3 Jun 2013 09:42:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.0.95] (dynamic-adsl-84-220-80-211.clienti.tiscali.it [84.220.80.211]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: lu_zero) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 13C8133BF2B for ; Mon, 3 Jun 2013 09:42:36 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <51AC650F.9000200@gentoo.org> Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2013 11:42:39 +0200 From: Luca Barbato User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130411 Thunderbird/17.0.5 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: eselect init References: <51A08A68.3020900@gentoo.org> <20130601092355.GB25065@rathaus.eclipse.co.uk> <51AB0D39.8050506@gentoo.org> <20130602182038.GA4485@rathaus.eclipse.co.uk> <51ABC8B1.7070105@gentoo.org> <20130603003757.GA28323@waltdnes.org> In-Reply-To: <20130603003757.GA28323@waltdnes.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: d8fc4081-f41f-4a3b-b036-66130710ddae X-Archives-Hash: 50dd9e9fed51164cd35782fbb1909c94 On 06/03/2013 02:37 AM, Walter Dnes wrote: > On Mon, Jun 03, 2013 at 12:35:29AM +0200, Luca Barbato wrote > >> - eselect init will be opt-in ***FOR THE TIME BEING***, people can >> be left on their own tools if the want it > > This statement should bring the same reaction as the posting that udev > source was being rolled into the systemd tarball. It implies that > eselect init will eventually become mandatory. Let me restate: As long there isn't a strict necessity the whole machinery should not impact the normal systems with the default init. > Your situation is a special use-case, i.e. a developer who wants to > switch between a "production" init system, and a "test" init system, > possibly multiple times a day. You're a developer, you know which files > to change, put together your own scripts, and run them as necessary. > Set up your own overlay and write your own eselect init ebuild. No > problem. But why should this eventually be a part of mainstream Gentoo? e4rat, bootchart and other addons might be more mainstream than gdb-as-init indeed. > BTW, I'm a bigger fan of busybox than most Gentoo users. Remember the > announcement of systemd/udev tarball integration, and supposed > deprecation of a separate /usr? I was the ****-disturber who started up > the https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Mdev wiki page on how to replace udev > with mdev. I also did a page on automounting at... > https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Mdev/Automount_USB/automount Having said > that, I don't see how busybox development justifies an additional layer > of complexity for everybody's bootup. It isn't every bootup =) lu