From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60CEE1381F3 for ; Sat, 25 May 2013 20:02:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 26D9EE0BF0; Sat, 25 May 2013 20:02:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1F26DE0BD2 for ; Sat, 25 May 2013 20:02:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.4] (f048157017.adsl.alicedsl.de [78.48.157.17]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: chithanh) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id AE6F933BF45 for ; Sat, 25 May 2013 20:02:17 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <51A118D2.4010303@gentoo.org> Date: Sat, 25 May 2013 22:02:26 +0200 From: =?UTF-8?B?Q2jDrS1UaGFuaCBDaHJpc3RvcGhlciBOZ3V54buFbg==?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:20.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/20.0 SeaMonkey/2.17 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Going against co-maintainer's wishes (ref. bug 412697) References: <20130525184830.5bb25483@gentoo.org> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.6a1pre Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Archives-Salt: ed67924e-fc25-4a75-bdbc-e60b1e93957c X-Archives-Hash: 05189b53f2806807c8cfdafaed171313 Rich Freeman schrieb: >> Yet another stand. No offense but I'm afraid it's quite childish of you. >> I don't understand why you're so proud of it. It's a bit like 'Gentoo >> will play as I like. If it doesn't, then I will play against Gentoo. >> And if that doesn't help, I will resent and slam the door, and then >> write to ml about it.' > > Honestly, if people want to have that attitude they might as well stop > maintaining anything that installs a daemon. As a developer you have > NO power to prevent somebody else from co-maintaining, and since those > devs who use systemd are likely to want to have units and they're > willing to do the work, you can expect somebody to show up and add a > unit. This is why I suggested that in case of uncooperative maintainers and upstreams, put the systemd unit in an extra package. Like it is done for selinux policies. > The very nature of Gentoo leads to situations where you'll get > requests from other devs to add support for crazy stuff to your > packages (X32, prefix, init systems, etc). As long as somebody else > is willing to do the work to maintain it (as a developer or proxy) and > it doesn't hurt conventional users, we should cooperate. With x32, I generally refused to apply the patches to x11 maintained packages before they had upstream ack first. Best regards, Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn