From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4749B1381F3 for ; Wed, 22 May 2013 15:21:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 15F41E080E; Wed, 22 May 2013 15:21:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 20134E07FE for ; Wed, 22 May 2013 15:21:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.0.102] (dynamic-adsl-84-220-77-8.clienti.tiscali.it [84.220.77.8]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: lu_zero) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id ED64E33E1AC for ; Wed, 22 May 2013 15:21:15 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <519CE284.9000203@gentoo.org> Date: Wed, 22 May 2013 17:21:40 +0200 From: Luca Barbato User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130411 Thunderbird/17.0.5 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Making systemd more accessible to "normal" users References: <5198CCA9.8020501@gmail.com> <201305191523.59060.dilfridge@gentoo.org> <20130519143421.15214.qmail@stuge.se> <519AE3E6.2070001@gmx.com> <519B1C5A.6080900@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <519B1C5A.6080900@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: 052c8fab-8186-4fe3-a246-1a193c46f2b8 X-Archives-Hash: f21923190ee4fa1aab0fee41a7a4b6c7 On 05/21/2013 09:03 AM, Alan McKinnon wrote: > On 21/05/2013 05:03, Daniel Campbell wrote: >> That's missing the point. If you don't run systemd, having unit files is >> pointless. Thankfully there's INSTALL_MASK and whatnot, but that seems >> like a hack instead of something more robust. Why include systemd unit >> files (by default, with no systemd USE flag, thanks to the council...) >> on a system that's not using it? 154 files isn't negligible unless >> you're flippant with your system and don't care about bloat. Unused >> software sitting around *is* a waste of disk-space. >> >> Some people (like myself) came to Gentoo to avoid putting systemd on >> their systems and to make use of the great choice that Gentoo allows. >> This push to make systemd a "first level citizen" or whatever reeks of >> marketing. If there is desire among users for unit files, they can >> contact upstream or maintain their own set of unit files. It's not like >> they're hard to write. >> > > > > This is such a weak argument it's quite laughable. > > I don't like gnu info files. Neither me nor anyone I know can figure out > how to drive info. So, let's rip all the info files out of every > package; leaving the 3 users who do know info free to grab their copies > from upstream. I mean it's not like it's hard or anything, and info > files are easy to write. check the FEATURES variable and be surprise =) (from man make.conf) nodoc Do not install doc files (/usr/share/doc). noinfo Do not install info pages. noman Do not install manpages. Adding a nounits norunscript and such might work and had been proposed. lu