From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCF4F1381F3 for ; Tue, 21 May 2013 03:03:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 04AC9E08F5; Tue, 21 May 2013 03:03:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net [74.208.4.201]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11904E08E6 for ; Tue, 21 May 2013 03:03:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.144] ([70.40.230.100]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmxus001) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0LtrOt-1UWxl11gY9-0117bG for ; Tue, 21 May 2013 05:03:07 +0200 Message-ID: <519AE3E6.2070001@gmx.com> Date: Mon, 20 May 2013 22:03:02 -0500 From: Daniel Campbell User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130405 Thunderbird/17.0.5 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Making systemd more accessible to "normal" users References: <5198CCA9.8020501@gmail.com> <201305191523.59060.dilfridge@gentoo.org> <20130519143421.15214.qmail@stuge.se> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.6a1pre Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:7U9r9R6U4+6PA4973NWMUKOoVAaMDcdjNdypASED0tFv01ca0OS lLzA5PIJrk2l5+6sPSwX0QZmKaQVXVF15iedDA5LjOObY7YS1l8zlAaPS1T7kgQ+KV9P8cT nFclMKHd39Au/zvqzGU9LRovIqCV0XPZC64LqJ500DiFlmzIMzc2dBaLfbWv6sh+pAfLOR0 IaCYZT3aNtm4CMLa4pDmQ== X-Archives-Salt: dea9cd2b-9b76-4d10-8dc3-97c62128ca90 X-Archives-Hash: 75c53a4f72871de6c1a5cf55b3b19fd4 On 05/19/2013 01:05 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: > On Sun, May 19, 2013 at 9:34 AM, Peter Stuge wrote: >> J. Roeleveld wrote: >>> I don't see how this will avoid the issue of a limited amount of >>> inodes. >>> That is what I usually run out of before the disk is full when >>> storing lots of smaller files. >> >> I guess the number of unit files is on the order of hundreds > > (Sorry, sent email before it was ready). > > Laptop running full GNOME: > > # find /usr/lib/systemd/system -type f | wc > 154 154 7012 > > Server running Apache+MySQL+Mailman+Squid+Other services: > > # find /usr/lib/systemd/system -type f | wc > 121 121 5560 > > And as you said, you can always use INSTALL_MASK. If 154 files are > going to deplete your inodes, I think your problem lies somewhere > else. > > Regards. > -- > Canek Peláez Valdés > Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingeniería de la Computación > Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México > That's missing the point. If you don't run systemd, having unit files is pointless. Thankfully there's INSTALL_MASK and whatnot, but that seems like a hack instead of something more robust. Why include systemd unit files (by default, with no systemd USE flag, thanks to the council...) on a system that's not using it? 154 files isn't negligible unless you're flippant with your system and don't care about bloat. Unused software sitting around *is* a waste of disk-space. Some people (like myself) came to Gentoo to avoid putting systemd on their systems and to make use of the great choice that Gentoo allows. This push to make systemd a "first level citizen" or whatever reeks of marketing. If there is desire among users for unit files, they can contact upstream or maintain their own set of unit files. It's not like they're hard to write.