From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7C1B1381F3 for ; Thu, 16 May 2013 05:20:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C0591E08E2; Thu, 16 May 2013 05:20:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D1229E08CD for ; Thu, 16 May 2013 05:20:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.0.93] (dynamic-adsl-84-220-76-147.clienti.tiscali.it [84.220.76.147]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: lu_zero) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id A4F0133DFA8 for ; Thu, 16 May 2013 05:20:27 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <51946CA9.5060408@gentoo.org> Date: Thu, 16 May 2013 07:20:41 +0200 From: Luca Barbato User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130411 Thunderbird/17.0.5 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Making systemd more accessible to "normal" users References: <20130508190832.0ea16c88@gentoo.org> <518A8901.6030302@gmail.com> <20130510094500.62b0c958@sera-20.lan> <5191F8B7.9080006@gentoo.org> <20130515141755.4d53f21e@gentoo.org> <5193A3B1.2080209@gentoo.org> <20130515192613.50dfca90@TOMWIJ-GENTOO> In-Reply-To: <20130515192613.50dfca90@TOMWIJ-GENTOO> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: 0c881d73-8a67-4a85-b76e-3fbf86c10530 X-Archives-Hash: 330eb084d0169ecf9947c72b2bed194f On 05/15/2013 07:26 PM, Tom Wijsman wrote: > On Wed, 15 May 2013 17:03:13 +0200 > Luca Barbato wrote: > >> On 05/15/2013 03:41 PM, Fabio Erculiani wrote: >>> ... GNOME ... >> >> And given that the end-plan according to the guys is to kill the >> distributions shall we just close Gentoo now? > > Let's not exaggerate things, there are a ton of other DEs out there; > are all of them starting to depend on systemd specific features? Luckily not, yet _that_'s what is in the roadmap apparently. > Whether or not it is terrible, it is a time sink; is it worth doing it? For any non-linux, less-than-3.x-linux, non-glibc system user probably. > Indeed, the goal here is solely to make "systemd more accessible"; we > shouldn't pursue it to be the main init system or force it upon users, > unless there are indicators in the future that it became better (eg. > supports BSD, ...) for everyone. And that has my support, there is disagreement on what that entitles. > Used GNOME for months, then with 3.6 - 3.8 it started to break on me; > it didn't work on either OpenRC or systemd. While I was a happy user at > first, recent events made me lose interest in it; I think a discussion > regarding init systems and similar software shouldn't be focused on a > single DE, so I too am not sure why focus is laid on GNOME here... Since it is the DE forcing all those changes down distribution throats. lu