From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A64991381F3 for ; Thu, 16 May 2013 01:28:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 23742E08C6; Thu, 16 May 2013 01:28:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mx1.mthode.org (rrcs-24-173-105-85.sw.biz.rr.com [24.173.105.85]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43A27E089F for ; Thu, 16 May 2013 01:28:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [IPv6:2001:470:e1cc:2:2677:3ff:fe25:a674] (unknown [IPv6:2001:470:e1cc:2:2677:3ff:fe25:a674]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.mthode.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id D72C57AE1 for ; Wed, 15 May 2013 21:29:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <51943650.5000104@gentoo.org> Date: Wed, 15 May 2013 20:28:48 -0500 From: Matthew Thode User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130410 Thunderbird/17.0.5 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Making systemd more accessible to "normal" users References: <20130508190832.0ea16c88@gentoo.org> <518A8901.6030302@gmail.com> <20130510094500.62b0c958@sera-20.lan> <5191F8B7.9080006@gentoo.org> <20130515141755.4d53f21e@gentoo.org> <20130516002721.GA8711@linux1> In-Reply-To: <20130516002721.GA8711@linux1> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.6a1pre Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="----enig2GGKMMBOAUHWKVGQXEBAO" X-Archives-Salt: 17409a74-6894-4a33-b5fd-2400cd72d77b X-Archives-Hash: 985cfdaafacfbcd2c20f310b213ba3ac This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) ------enig2GGKMMBOAUHWKVGQXEBAO Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 05/15/13 19:27, William Hubbs wrote: > On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 10:16:01PM +0800, Ben de Groot wrote: >> We don't control upstreams, but we still have choices. At this point I= >> only see Gnome and udev upstreams who are forcing their users to use >> systemd. (There may be other projects too that I'm not aware of.) >=20 > Udev doesn't force anything. In fact upstream makes it > clear that udev can be run without systemd. >=20 > William >=20 so then we should decouple logind from udev downstream (packaging) :D --=20 -- Matthew Thode (prometheanfire) ------enig2GGKMMBOAUHWKVGQXEBAO Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux) iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJRlDZaAAoJECRx6z5ArFrDKAIP/RmmkYCct5lsc0UnKeJaW3Z8 cTWMnzFjzRYS7MmLEBAzzHN6CX71hpJqitP+6aQZfZeMXfskofSdscjfAkk4SRc2 Ev7Db0d4nLQwKVY2pjV1Mo5DjQHsqnaegDmm6rEXKVNQcSHNCUbQUyuuBgKvnK6I ZLt5vEL9HuoOWwp/c3BC/rWbf0aVT1j+MBkYMMVyXfbSy4OMF6OeHq8B1on3Q0nZ PVWbiq4f8p35rXc66c9QS4+z9IRuggjzX2NM4KxIYxmNj6qhBGOiuWslhowJbtq/ rNnOzXyA/rPdAp3zCNuqB1whlucUnVOPrgVfV/Ih2QiIJKAWb4CqSg47fsFxFUbo eirdF4Geu5ipR1RFuwKTbe1K+bb3rlNWtIWvlIrYh3N7x9FhGZ9GXnRR4VOTm7ko j5kv4pWHeawYEeKkjB9dLtm7hB6oYo8uPWPaau/TCCBiDhufE53sR5TrYoj1vJ11 YB3kj3/O7Q5jGPu1lo43eI/nRbe2sH7tNNtFcZ5ZD4AEPW2rYu3wjcENEQyVmMsF +oi4tMK9NF0PWpNcgheoPtFw7vQ+AcD0GugynfM/+d/BGJFNQtcaFWJkoWD+f/sw 9OylhcIG0MrENKsLe1wvQvGC//yxGgu64qdg2xQPhqmZHY03LtU707geAADq950C F/8UAP/1ZUM6JELCSnOZ =g56k -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ------enig2GGKMMBOAUHWKVGQXEBAO--