From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6A801381F3 for ; Wed, 15 May 2013 15:09:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 52360E0870; Wed, 15 May 2013 15:09:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 610EEE0869 for ; Wed, 15 May 2013 15:09:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.0.93] (dynamic-adsl-84-220-76-147.clienti.tiscali.it [84.220.76.147]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: lu_zero) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3DBB133E00F for ; Wed, 15 May 2013 15:09:55 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <5193A54B.9050703@gentoo.org> Date: Wed, 15 May 2013 17:10:03 +0200 From: Luca Barbato User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130411 Thunderbird/17.0.5 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Making systemd more accessible to "normal" users References: <20130508190832.0ea16c88@gentoo.org> <518A8901.6030302@gmail.com> <20130510094500.62b0c958@sera-20.lan> <5191F8B7.9080006@gentoo.org> <20130515141755.4d53f21e@gentoo.org> <5193A3B1.2080209@gentoo.org> In-Reply-To: <5193A3B1.2080209@gentoo.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: 3d47b8e3-8cc7-42d6-b82f-ae9d257dc0f2 X-Archives-Hash: ad33a019a3008e89ee10a8e7448b4d50 On 05/15/2013 05:03 PM, Luca Barbato wrote: > On 05/15/2013 03:41 PM, Fabio Erculiani wrote: >> Are we realizing that in order to keep systemd out of our way, we're >> currently writing and maintaining drop-in replacements for the >> features that systemd is already providing in an actively maintained >> state? openrc-settingsd was the first thing that we as Gentoo >> developers (Pacho?) had to write in order to merge GNOME 3.6 into our >> tree. To make it even clearer. In order to support a good amount of users out there that do not care about gnome and cannot use systemd we can see and bake alternatives that are compatible enough. Those that can't use systemd: - those not using the latest glibc (and maybe uclibc) - those not using a recent linux kernel - not sure about cgroups-users, the lxc vs systemd problem should be solved I hope That's what I'm aware of. lu