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([2001:5c0:1000:a::1413]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id p10sm2615637igj.5.2013.05.08.08.52.07 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 08 May 2013 08:52:08 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <518A74A2.3090207@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 08 May 2013 11:52:02 -0400 From: Michael Mol User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130222 Thunderbird/17.0.2 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Making systemd more accessible to "normal" users References: <518A71AA.8070101@gentoo.org> In-Reply-To: <518A71AA.8070101@gentoo.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.5 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="----enig2PWLNOFCTHGIDBIUIGQNG" X-Archives-Salt: 95e38831-8247-4c90-b58a-35b1d686b15b X-Archives-Hash: d9e16ea0c5c44b01f5ce622e2981db37 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) ------enig2PWLNOFCTHGIDBIUIGQNG Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 05/08/2013 11:39 AM, Ch=C3=AD-Thanh Christopher Nguy=E1=BB=85n wrote: > Ben de Groot schrieb: >> On 1 May 2013 18:04, Fabio Erculiani wrote: >>> It looks like there is some consensus on the effort of making systemd= >>> more accessible, while there are problems with submitting bugs about >>> new systemd units of the sort that maintainers just_dont_answer(tm). >>> In this case, I am just giving 3 weeks grace period for maintainers t= o >>> answer and then I usually go ahead adding units (I'm in systemd@ afte= r >>> all). >> In my opinion you should not be asking maintainers to add systemd >> units to their packages. They most likely do not have systems on which= >> they can test these, and very few users would need them anyway. I >> would think it is better to add them to a separate systemd-units >> package. >=20 > Note that a similar thing is already done with the selinux policy packa= ges. >=20 > Mostly the complaints against adding systemd units are that it would > unnecessarily clutter non-systemd installs. Users who complain are told= > to set INSTALL_MASK but that is somewhat unwieldy. >=20 > A separate package for the unit file would solve this problem nicely. Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't your average ebuild file larger than your average systemd unit file? > Another option would be to add a "dounit" command to a future EAPI (lik= e > doinitd today) and make portage install them unless FEATURES=3D"nounit"= > (like nodoc/noinfo/noman today). I'm beginning to warm up to the idea of replacing most init scripts with systemd unit files and a unit->init converter. This is obviously nonsense if upstream provides init scripts, but I'm unsure how common that is. (or even could be) ------enig2PWLNOFCTHGIDBIUIGQNG Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJRinSmAAoJED5TcEBdxYwQC9EH/1+dUls4aeXpunWx4qOJrySZ rrfRrmm3mErL42Ecqlv3yBdefXP23zFdzEwBxnEzGrHz+Nk47yC8Eyv844n594+C ISTn1L1fzz9RIjJdm7UMefIExIuGfyCwAdILR1k0RRFLAnsY24pkGQghrD0Op+Gi dEa7JV6DYkjAEBQDiGhUruu1ESZ9jbc8Z0Q/RHYLCVG1QwtJHsoYSI2oyss52YhH n6VU5WbTh9WNRbJgInT68Wp4N+HfnjjysaLH8kObLkaNxV2dNQgQdlJwOe7zlLPD oqO1IBx/RrJ7cFPkHLlTKZJ5XVWQKNV2gr6NVEZmFr96JFJYZCV3gGPK1hZRNBE= =4WvD -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ------enig2PWLNOFCTHGIDBIUIGQNG--