From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E3A81381F3 for ; Sat, 4 May 2013 14:29:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 90D38E0876; Sat, 4 May 2013 14:29:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ee0-f46.google.com (mail-ee0-f46.google.com [74.125.83.46]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8C020E0872 for ; Sat, 4 May 2013 14:29:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ee0-f46.google.com with SMTP id b57so1169869eek.33 for ; Sat, 04 May 2013 07:29:10 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc :subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=kbkZJtNmHRUHYtFLD93UG0HqOQl2Um0dcBmKg6MvqU4=; b=F/OCqTJMZdUkGlQwGCTqJEtLcezbySOmKUXjOE8dDhOZ9lqapV9l9TmX6Mna7ZBO4C jcMbRnEulniHF+65NYvXDkdWe19PdnbfgyE661rt991ht2bgADBaNZVHqMN24kd1iWR3 a9fnOT00eP2CRWXfBNcq/wNKKZmhgQ0JbJcpxXgsYN+x7TimF5Mr/Sfk08hP5HZceMmc 6j8cqz2v6LeAD6M/RQt3pnPKrX2a+hVev1OgIDDlPuuteUeoCnbaQJViLvNXnjFc8HQw oS5Ji9xxmdTnBMHoHG8tEngz3D0ZqCGfhoaHgDygqeAsBW1Uye7uEEVdfsij7LOc11j3 0qjw== X-Received: by 10.14.9.71 with SMTP id 47mr42354494ees.21.1367677750217; Sat, 04 May 2013 07:29:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.4.18] ([5.157.117.94]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id m48sm21989536eeu.15.2013.05.04.07.29.08 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sat, 04 May 2013 07:29:09 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <51851AD3.8080001@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 04 May 2013 16:27:31 +0200 From: "vivo75@gmail.com" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130410 Thunderbird/17.0.5 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org CC: "Dustin C. Hatch" Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] USE_EXPAND is not an IUSE replacement [was: New USE_EXPAND: CLAWS_MAIL_PLUGINS] References: <20130421233844.2b015d4d@gentoo.org> <5177AB1F.8020606@necoro.eu> <5183B4A7.2020704@necoro.eu> <51841BFF.2060809@gentoo.org> <5184274B.3080408@necoro.eu> <5184A69F.60607@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <5184A69F.60607@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Archives-Salt: a083bcbc-5f89-4262-8641-ab6f5f5e68dc X-Archives-Hash: c6e49f466f512c2e124a87802c5c455c Il 04/05/2013 08:11, Dustin C. Hatch ha scritto: > On 5/3/2013 16:08, René Neumann wrote: >> Am 03.05.2013 22:20, schrieb Zac Medico: >>> Is it worth changing? >> >> Nope. What's worth changing is the excessive use of USE_EXPAND for no >> reason (your described usecase makes sense for reasonable USE_EXPAND >> stuff like VIDEO_CARDS). But seems like I'm the only one concerned by >> this, so I should probably rest my case and switch to silent sobbing >> instead ;-). >> >> - René >> > I definitely agree with you. USE_EXPAND combined with nearly > everything on-by-default (ENLIGHTENMENT_PLUGINS, for example) really > annoys me. There are two ways to "turn off" USE_EXPADed flags: > explicitly set everything but what you don't want in make.conf, or use > the fully-qualified flag in make.conf:USE or package.use, which > defeats the purpose entirely. Both of these are overly verbose, in my > opinion. I don't know how the over-utilization of USE_EXPAND got > started, but I would very much like to see it go away. > Actually this would not be that bad if USE_EXPAND where immutable (fix it once and be ok) but they are not and as such suffer the same problem as USE="-*"