From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6D441381F3 for ; Sat, 4 May 2013 06:11:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 889F2E08D5; Sat, 4 May 2013 06:11:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-gg0-f177.google.com (mail-gg0-f177.google.com [209.85.161.177]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9DB2FE08B1 for ; Sat, 4 May 2013 06:11:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-gg0-f177.google.com with SMTP id j5so356867ggn.8 for ; Fri, 03 May 2013 23:11:45 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=nv2Lk0+fO25ufsP/Gf/xJMGm5r0uqwGgeu2zomz3IG0=; b=hRjSFua1M5E89OS1dhtgBaiZz+UT3FV1oZTXp5num5mSL3Prkl73hbmxj6j5NvUW0I gIzYGPDdXLDapNhS7hrFhergW92ow1PD3AtXu45cER92p/BEYaEifcGnVVfdiHIwd9He G4rXoe6uqZAy4+JjXZQkeX4UuCQw+p3ZO+iZ0EBYmw7WDa8u+FpxmO3vKD3BFd22EMrn 0Vdj4aHWgZZUSg8lHgNS03zbj66Ocis1TjmtKI3036PXFig5t7iNatMUrU8y5fIW6vXj aoxw101YqbR8DwbEJyUIvMP5wY13t096STgd4s7UCFJELXGtJ/5u5AuCEDLa028tQqo7 zx0A== X-Received: by 10.236.132.196 with SMTP id o44mr11876041yhi.37.1367647905768; Fri, 03 May 2013 23:11:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [172.31.0.4] (cpe-75-87-85-32.kc.res.rr.com. [75.87.85.32]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id c18sm2172587yho.13.2013.05.03.23.11.44 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Fri, 03 May 2013 23:11:45 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <5184A69F.60607@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 04 May 2013 01:11:43 -0500 From: "Dustin C. Hatch" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130328 Thunderbird/17.0.5 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] USE_EXPAND is not an IUSE replacement [was: New USE_EXPAND: CLAWS_MAIL_PLUGINS] References: <20130421233844.2b015d4d@gentoo.org> <5177AB1F.8020606@necoro.eu> <5183B4A7.2020704@necoro.eu> <51841BFF.2060809@gentoo.org> <5184274B.3080408@necoro.eu> In-Reply-To: <5184274B.3080408@necoro.eu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Archives-Salt: d03b1ea9-6e84-4e57-ab26-cf049b0cd695 X-Archives-Hash: 3bf2509528c8ac3c037b2de95a87124c On 5/3/2013 16:08, René Neumann wrote: > Am 03.05.2013 22:20, schrieb Zac Medico: >> Is it worth changing? > > Nope. What's worth changing is the excessive use of USE_EXPAND for no > reason (your described usecase makes sense for reasonable USE_EXPAND > stuff like VIDEO_CARDS). But seems like I'm the only one concerned by > this, so I should probably rest my case and switch to silent sobbing > instead ;-). > > - René > I definitely agree with you. USE_EXPAND combined with nearly everything on-by-default (ENLIGHTENMENT_PLUGINS, for example) really annoys me. There are two ways to "turn off" USE_EXPADed flags: explicitly set everything but what you don't want in make.conf, or use the fully-qualified flag in make.conf:USE or package.use, which defeats the purpose entirely. Both of these are overly verbose, in my opinion. I don't know how the over-utilization of USE_EXPAND got started, but I would very much like to see it go away. -- ♫Dustin http://dustin.hatch.name/