From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47DA0138247 for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2013 21:43:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 19186E0B53; Tue, 3 Dec 2013 21:43:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2DDAEE0B4C for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2013 21:43:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.152] (unknown [69.158.174.43]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: axs) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 1784633F29E for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2013 21:43:31 +0000 (UTC) References: <20131201102015.GA1219@egeo> <20131202202845.GA8574@linux1> <529CF973.2020008@gentoo.org> <529CFAA1.7080608@gentoo.org> <20131203211130.GA31972@linux1> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) In-Reply-To: <20131203211130.GA31972@linux1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <517DFDAF-7492-4347-9596-2A0218CD0569@gentoo.org> Cc: "gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org" X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (10B350) From: Ian Stakenvicius Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] openrc 0.12 - netifrc/newnet mix-up Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2013 16:43:28 -0500 To: "gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org" X-Archives-Salt: 289328ef-f327-4908-840a-3393c2888782 X-Archives-Hash: 960d918984ac496e758c7ca73f515cb1 On 2013-12-03, at 4:11 PM, William Hubbs wrote: > On Tue, Dec 03, 2013 at 09:32:10PM +0400, Alexander V Vershilov wrote: >> On Dec 3, 2013 1:24 AM, "Ian Stakenvicius" wrote: >>>=20 >>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>> Hash: SHA256 >>>=20 >>> On 02/12/13 04:19 PM, Rick "Zero_Chaos" Farina wrote: >>>> On 12/02/2013 03:28 PM, William Hubbs wrote: [...] >>>>> Also, the other message in this thread is correct; the netifrc >>>>> use flag is temporary. >>>>=20 >>>>> I originally planned to release openrc-0.12.x along with a >>>>> newsitem that instructed you to emerge the netifrc package if you >>>>> want the legacy network stack, but some users/devs felt that >>>>> Ishould go further to make sure netifrc remains installed on >>>>> their systems. >>>>=20 >>>> As one of those devs, I feel now may be a good time to ask.... What >>>> are we doing about this? In my opinion, anyone removing net >>>> support from the stage3's should be killed with fire. That said, I >>>> don't care if it's netifrc or whatever as long as it is properly >>>> documented and actually usable. >>>>=20 >>>> Thoughts on how we move forward? >>>>=20 >>>> Thanks, Zero >>>=20 >>> Well, part of this conversation needs to be, what is the default >>> networking stack that we want to have in gentoo? IMO that should >>> remain netifrc but that's just my personal opinion. >>=20 >> I personally like netifrc default but there is no good way to use it as >> default we will need to keep use flag arbitrary long or add netifrc to >> @system but it will return us back to the problems of users who doesn't >> want to have netifrc on their systems. And with the rise of systems and N= M >> the number of such users will grow. Anyway I'd like to see base system he= rd >> vote. >=20 > I would like to add a virtual/network-manager package to @system which > has the following rdepend settings: >=20 > RDEPEND=3D" || ( > net-misc/netifrc > >=3Dsys-apps/openrc-0.12[newnet] > net-misc/badvpn > net-misc/dhcpcd > net-misc/netctl > net-misc/NetworkManager > net-misc/wicd )" >=20 > Does anyone see an issue with setting it up this way? >=20 > William >=20 well, there is the issue where dhcpcd being installed (which is common for n= etifrc support) is going to allow netifrc to be cleaned... similar for NM a= nd Wicd I expect, if those aren't in @world ....=