Re: [gentoo-dev] openrc 0.12 - netifrc/newnet mix-up

[Ian Stakenvicius <axs@gentoo.org>]

On 2013-12-03, at 4:11 PM, William Hubbs <williamh@gentoo.org> wrote:

> On Tue, Dec 03, 2013 at 09:32:10PM +0400, Alexander V Vershilov wrote:
>> On Dec 3, 2013 1:24 AM, "Ian Stakenvicius" <axs@gentoo.org> wrote:
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>>> On 02/12/13 04:19 PM, Rick "Zero_Chaos" Farina wrote:
>>>> On 12/02/2013 03:28 PM, William Hubbs wrote: [...]
>>>>> Also, the other message in this thread is correct; the netifrc
>>>>> use flag is temporary.
>>>> 
>>>>> I originally planned to release openrc-0.12.x along with a
>>>>> newsitem that instructed you to emerge the netifrc package if you
>>>>> want the legacy network stack, but some users/devs felt that
>>>>> Ishould go further to make sure netifrc remains installed on
>>>>> their systems.
>>>> 
>>>> As one of those devs, I feel now may be a good time to ask.... What
>>>> are we doing about this?  In my opinion, anyone removing net
>>>> support from the stage3's should be killed with fire.  That said, I
>>>> don't care if it's netifrc or whatever as long as it is properly
>>>> documented and actually usable.
>>>> 
>>>> Thoughts on how we move forward?
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks, Zero
>>> 
>>> Well, part of this conversation needs to be, what is the default
>>> networking stack that we want to have in gentoo?  IMO that should
>>> remain netifrc but that's just my personal opinion.
>> 
>> I personally like netifrc default but there is no good way to use it as
>> default we will need to keep use flag arbitrary long or add netifrc to
>> @system but it will return us back to the problems of users who doesn't
>> want to have netifrc on their systems. And with the rise of systems and NM
>> the number of such users will grow. Anyway I'd like to see base system herd
>> vote.
> 
> I would like to add a virtual/network-manager package to @system which
> has the following rdepend settings:
> 
> RDEPEND=" || (
>    net-misc/netifrc
>    >=sys-apps/openrc-0.12[newnet]
>    net-misc/badvpn
>    net-misc/dhcpcd
>    net-misc/netctl
>    net-misc/NetworkManager
>    net-misc/wicd )"
> 
>    Does anyone see an issue with setting it up this way?
> 
>    William
> 

well, there is the issue where dhcpcd being installed (which is common for netifrc support) is going to allow netifrc to be cleaned...  similar for NM and Wicd I expect, if those aren't in @world ....