From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E329B1381F3 for ; Wed, 24 Apr 2013 22:19:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8EC77E098A; Wed, 24 Apr 2013 22:19:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B1AD3E0948 for ; Wed, 24 Apr 2013 22:19:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [10.0.30.47] (unknown [199.21.234.7]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: chutzpah) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id DE29633DC17 for ; Wed, 24 Apr 2013 22:19:21 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <51785A52.40606@gentoo.org> Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2013 15:18:58 -0700 From: Patrick McLean User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130409 Thunderbird/17.0.5 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: oldnet scripts splitting out from OpenRC References: <20130424161606.GA1607@linux1> <201304241334.37807.vapier@gentoo.org> <20130424175407.GA2404@linux1> <201304241446.44543.vapier@gentoo.org> In-Reply-To: <201304241446.44543.vapier@gentoo.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.6a1pre Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: c6bcf959-9db7-45d0-9ce3-d8cfd483166c X-Archives-Hash: de6f9c8958778fd8fc3f315b193cb13a -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 On 24/04/13 11:46 AM, Mike Frysinger wrote: > On Wednesday 24 April 2013 13:54:07 William Hubbs wrote: >> On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 01:34:36PM -0400, Mike Frysinger wrote: >>> On Wednesday 24 April 2013 13:23:23 William Hubbs wrote: >>>> The issue is that OpenRC does not have any kind of dependency on gentoo-oldnet at all. There will be a separate loopback script in OpenRC >>>> so it is possible to run OpenRC on a system without the oldnet or newnet scripts. In fact, this is a completely valid configuration. >>> >>> even then, a default Gentoo system should have networking support available by default. our manuals assume this, and people shouldn't have >>> to install a stage3 and then do `emerge gentoo-oldnet` just to have that happen. so keeping a dependency in openrc (perhaps initially hard, >>> or behind IUSE=+oldnet) makes sense. >> +1 We should definitely install networking by default, and not make people install it as a separate emerge. If oldnet is being split into a different package, perhaps newnet should be split out as well. Maybe we could have a virtual/networking that defaults to oldnet and exists as a hard dep of openrc. >> if we keep a dependency for a while, even behind something like IUSE="+oldnet", when we drop it, people will still be hit if they do emerge >> --depclean before they emerge gentoo-oldnet. > > i don't think we should drop it. openrc is logically the best place imo. +1 oldnet is and should remain the default networking implementation on Gentoo. Newnet simply drops way too much functionality to become the default. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQIcBAEBCAAGBQJReFpSAAoJEHy/RO9cNQiDnCYQAIZ0nqhQKwknim7azbuep6Le AGh0EF5BLyWxly/N3BR6QYihkQLHzmq+8UaFselc5IC+ZN8iPphH9Z6i9mcHBBRR 7GGSSZSLg+fDoP+RkdeJwRzk+AnNlD8pJKfKtvgmf1BR5biUSo7NRXHCIR4wSl+r j0Vn9QdOD8g3z2yyhDIYDQPWEcn+JIlVPO5U0TBfZSK4xUGbbQmqAkrmfg0btPCe XS+LvVjl9xwpQlnj0ZX3xdDSNuuC4VtLSCIh/mawOMKIV1RmdArRHSyIul4XWBZd RWxEcx61V4UVnqoqwV8PArvneZpUgzI1yBSNTeFukJ+Qq9a2keRMW2YAt7Uy4D6Y Acd7xt9HM7GWscJU/k1qBajbuaa1jDDkAhITntUaSn1dWrg6q5JFRTCBT1BNsluq Hg3mrmIjH5RusYHl6J1mbl4njzumLBL98ibV8R+bp6VJQytADW3UYtIUAFS+R6z8 tj3WYpN3crE34FXSPdAKsAzoXBN9EZL/PTBnmUZs/KDBeRan/p4tPO68RIwiJdC+ WrZclWYH3IPpkeI3MYbTGRaskFVQVUxuTAH/mHRSSxbOOxqACcEm85YnJZHZf/ab KIrDomUjOGbbVX0dMChjCQQXZ2WGkcbfcUSSqxbBBWLMMI4iXzM9xh5c23AnCqXm PlX6fyf+QU3hOX4enKlZ =iEze -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----