From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5624C138010 for ; Fri, 29 Mar 2013 11:02:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 0F453E0C41; Fri, 29 Mar 2013 11:01:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ea0-f176.google.com (mail-ea0-f176.google.com [209.85.215.176]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EA329E07BC for ; Fri, 29 Mar 2013 11:01:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ea0-f176.google.com with SMTP id h10so173029eaj.35 for ; Fri, 29 Mar 2013 04:01:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject :references:in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:x-gm-message-state; bh=Hjzo9Mn8Acd4+px5uxUpU4EdNSwfRcI3XNeBTGbtLZo=; b=H2vG6WUAOMJxUqDQvxxoLRiex+y+RLa8lLPfOVTCqjL8ljer1aDLgzrx4PGDWd5cWO BUV7cwjiFMsn0Xq7iHFvl15psWnD+/7Nh0EiDshjL7sLGTNk/K3MdQYjpxcupnJ8+mfY 7eVAdzrVGI43FZkUc2BZJMu9FNqNE1iBYxux8u8Hhi22RkhYgatgjCN9hv+WGNWYnU3M Gyg07hF5bruGiapDOxC9mqDCBr4pO0gXLorOZRc8RHTB1nM5/lotEqCfADsMqA1OVq12 A3uwLUqifS5rP4Sk6fNkiJUyNqi+9CvpEr+4PXIt16JAtz9Pc7avNXdrRjNglXxZu76P tAbw== X-Received: by 10.14.207.200 with SMTP id n48mr6878733eeo.4.1364554910385; Fri, 29 Mar 2013 04:01:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from saladin.home.flameeyes.eu (adsl-ull-84-155.49-151.net24.it. [151.49.155.84]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ca4sm3238020eeb.15.2013.03.29.04.01.48 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Fri, 29 Mar 2013 04:01:49 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <5155749A.5010302@flameeyes.eu> Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 12:01:46 +0100 From: =?UTF-8?B?RGllZ28gRWxpbyBQZXR0ZW7Dsg==?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130325 Thunderbird/17.0.4 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Request of news item review: 2013-03-29-udev-predictable-network-interface-names.en.txt References: <51554C37.4000508@gentoo.org> <51556C3A.1020803@gentoo.org> <515570F2.2030902@flameeyes.eu> <515571D8.7030008@gentoo.org> In-Reply-To: <515571D8.7030008@gentoo.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.6a1pre Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQk3mo/nKXde8RQnMxnrUzODo3OB6l4L1Bd5PT6fJ7SzQ57YeTwQZBovxS9xhKZ/kGmeJNWY X-Archives-Salt: 058e8eb4-af46-40be-9771-58c3370a6104 X-Archives-Hash: 2fbf9ec5da8653dc54368add33d5a902 On 29/03/2013 11:50, Samuli Suominen wrote: > Not false, but configurable, and linked from the news item -- nobody > stopping you from eg. using MAC addresses instead of PCI slots for > defining the names, just like one would have renamed them using MAC with > 70-persistent-net.rules Which I usually do. But "With the new predictable ... scheme ... the names will be static and not randomly rename ..." is false. The name will be predictable before rebooting (maybe?) but it could very easily change randomly on udev update. > Not FUD, but a fact, depends on the driver code (in kernel) if it'll > change or not > That's random enough as we can't force people to track kernel source > tree and drivers code Hm hm. It's still FUD. If my desktop only has one Ethernet interface, no matter how many kernel changes happen, it'll always be eth0. Whereas, with the new predictable scheme, if I move that card around, it will change name. Tell me which one is random, again? --- I'm not saying you shouldn't enable it (feel free to screw up user as much as you want, just don't complain if they don't like you), but since both kernel naming and predictable naming have their chance to change, don't spread FUD. -- Diego Elio Pettenò — Flameeyes flameeyes@flameeyes.eu — http://blog.flameeyes.eu/