From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40124138AA4 for ; Sun, 17 Feb 2013 05:08:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8305921C009; Sun, 17 Feb 2013 05:08:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 574F1E0230 for ; Sun, 17 Feb 2013 05:08:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.107.2] (234.sub-75-197-171.myvzw.com [75.197.171.234]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: zerochaos) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id D33B333BE60 for ; Sun, 17 Feb 2013 05:08:01 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <512065C6.6000205@gentoo.org> Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2013 00:08:22 -0500 From: "Rick \"Zero_Chaos\" Farina" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130128 Thunderbird/17.0.2 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: RFC: install linux-firmware with kernel sources (was Re: Lastrite: Firmware cleanup, part #1) References: <5117560B.3090709@gentoo.org> <20130210174634.77631769@sf> <1360508715.26312.8.camel@belkin4> <20130212113814.598ac903@ritchie.cs.ubc.ca> <20130212143040.3b1bd00d@ritchie.cs.ubc.ca> <511F23B5.7060905@gentoo.org> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Archives-Salt: 7c1aff24-3ffd-4e7a-8147-4d86ee6e35cd X-Archives-Hash: 735c8652a557a6cc9c0ee14d3215730a -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 02/16/2013 10:29 AM, Maxim Kammerer wrote: > On Sat, Feb 16, 2013 at 8:14 AM, Rick "Zero_Chaos" Farina > wrote: >>>> Kernel sources providing /lib/firmware itself shouldn't be a problem >>>> either, as that's just a dir, which many packages may own. The >>>> individual firmware files would be a problem, but the USE=firmware >>>> RDEPEND solution should solve that. >>> >> What is everyone's opinion of adding a USE=firmware option to pull in >> PDEPEND="linux-firmware" in linux-2.eclass? > > Not exactly an opinion, but a couple of notes: > > 1. Kernel's "make modules_install" triggers "make firmware_install", > which installs a strict subset of linux-firmware (for enabled modules > — e.g., "3com/typhoon.bin"). A way to work around that is to supply > INSTALL_FW_PATH=... to make. > 2. CONFIG_PREVENT_FIRMWARE_BUILD=y does not prevent installing > firmware by "make modules_install". > 3. Trough all this firmware discussion, everyone is acting as if it's > obvious that linux-firmware was always preferred to individual > packages. This is not the case — some Gentoo developers didn't even > know about linux-firmware when creating individual packages, as is > evident from messages in discussion. I tried to figure which to use > some time ago, and came to conclusion that more often than not, > individual packages are preferable, because they are versioned/slotted > and go through a proper stabilization process (e.g., iwlwifi). Perhaps > that conclusion was incorrect, but the point is that information on > the subject was scarce, to say the least. > 1.) No new firmware is being added to the linux kernel anymore, so this doesn't apply at all. 2.) Fun fact but I don't see how that make much difference to anyone or this thread. 3.) I'm sorry if it is not yet obvious to people that this is a package upstream has been moving slowly towards requiring, but, they have. My email was SPECIFICALLY addressing this by suggesting that we add it as a pdep (optionally) to show people just how important it is. - -Zero -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJRIGXGAAoJEKXdFCfdEflKIuEQAIrB+R3ADrgdG5Q7aqUTy3+H o1K0eEpBKMg6Fi8q9um0b2mxw0lqUAgeob+RdKzkaFATueFmLB8DU8BUBr3RTSxe XxQ2KcAsfJxWqBcHx/wFwqXyVkink+AhXg/956hUa0I3TpSjsc7BkPHjIaJw3QBb AjwpUpr9T0CVpovTQ8LcFaNfxIH1kHcXku0cX8ZC72vXEDZN9My9QBGPsH6HTYPE TA6PSviBQimODookyaAYgkOzBlqDA98ClZb7sY7zmo4Ca/e0wC3eSVexwNxo7Nfr +4mMzTy8TPwv7hckAgZiOzDQ7RQKC+s7f2/gHXNENb9ittd8aBc982tfxlF6wTgc PHXsn+owgA/VQsVlyMw6ctUFgW3lDeQBuc9/WPgGXvfTvSUQ1ROhg7DmBH7Iyr1C 8l04sL3kmZ9PqAw2j13Kf56mxFaFA+L/uwhV6cAw2rEpLpIfvwV9trR+BmO69Hem tph58uh6cGXfWOXtUM+kEacXswvWpLi0yD8/g3WH8jbkGBIobKf6deYcbkPjZWyQ STm/Qq6xHyibpBBBZWgungvSG5gvf+73crq+femjKUgB7yCVnXaMrTODSXVKhkX0 sZ+K+Bp5XqexVGlcbLvtXmIW7OJB4L7Yiml5zzx6Vqu/hMld/CSdLo/3rLf2TCSW IhfHQl5LKrFt0MGyFLR/ =n36q -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----