From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC8FB138A38 for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2013 22:27:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id CA454E0212; Thu, 14 Feb 2013 22:27:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 90925E0160 for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2013 22:27:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.107.2] (144.sub-75-192-17.myvzw.com [75.192.17.144]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: zerochaos) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 2F02333E529 for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2013 22:27:06 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <511D64CC.9030505@gentoo.org> Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 17:27:24 -0500 From: "Rick \"Zero_Chaos\" Farina" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130128 Thunderbird/17.0.2 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Lastrite: Firmware cleanup, part #1 References: <5117560B.3090709@gentoo.org> <5117C8B4.50802@gentoo.org> <511B903A.8000301@gentoo.org> In-Reply-To: <511B903A.8000301@gentoo.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Archives-Salt: 3400fe9c-87b0-4ff8-9e4b-46a405e78c4e X-Archives-Hash: 662955a3ecc2491cc3691254d5468f4f -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 02/13/2013 08:08 AM, Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn wrote: > Rick "Zero_Chaos" Farina schrieb: >> atmel-firmware ipw2100-firmware ipw2200-firmware b43-firmware >> b43legacy-firmware rtl8192su-firmware zd1201-firmware >> zd1211-firmware >> >> None of these are blockers on linux-firmware, none of these are >> included in linux firmware, none of these should be masked with no >> replacement as we are breaking approximately 90% of wifi cards on >> laptops built in the last 5 years. > > I think your 90% figure is unsubstantiated and likely too high. Many > budget laptops nowadays use Realtek, Ralink or Atheros chipsets which > have firmware in linux-firmware.git > Firmware for iwlwifi is in linux-firmware.git too (Intel 3945ABG was > introduced in 2006) > For new Broadcom chipsets (following the launch of the > brcmsmac/brcmfmac drivers in 2010) the same is true. Users of older > chipsets can still use b43-fwcutter. I meant the older devices, I know a lot of people using ipw2200 and b43legacy/b43 cards from long before ralink was fancy. >> Only the following acctually show masked when I update: >> -net-wireless/rtl8192su > > That firmware is not useful with modern kernels. Yup, fixed > >> Due to the damage this will cause I am removing the mask on these >> NOW, I will cleanup the ebuilds today but this is bad, really >> really bad. If we are cleaning up linux-firmware that's great, but >> someone needs to check that the things we are masking/removing are >> actually in linux-firmware... > > You were asked to file a bug report in the mask message if you want to > keep them. I agree that the following should stay: > atmel-firmware > ipw2100-firmware > ipw2200-firmware > zd1201-firmware > zd1211-firmware Remove firmware from users systems with no upgrade path and then ask users to file a bug? That's pretty awesome, how can those people file a bug when you break their network connections? I agree, my reaction was a bit strong, but the non-chalance about breaking people's systems isn't cool. Far more thought needs to go into masking things like firmware in the future. A mail should be put on the list and experts should be consulted. I have 200 wifi cards myself, if you want to know for sure what is required and what isn't, you only have to ask me to test... I'm sure others are happy to test things in their respective areas rather than see things masked because "if users need it they will complain". > > About the others, losing them is not too dramatic. This was worked out between ssuominen and myself on irc nearly a week ago. I believe we were both happy when we were done. Sorry for not updating the list but the issue hasn't been dire for a while. - -Zero -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJRHWTMAAoJEKXdFCfdEflKZMIQAKPeoUsQaf2Cf/R7PIeP44lI lKE6csmyE++8wJtVejMzYyp61a1m5gKxRDO1KGJcMAV39XXxsVHjqVTll/CaqhX6 edGWRK93/WdctGf4iOMR+HqZcDy+sdFXJ/hSoL049gw48yf5C1ROTrLz4XaEtff2 p0iywJxqEh8RsUzlOv7jCEe9fRCgPsK+L81wL+GsFzrKUTpKG3xF+begi2lnIDv8 ei+k6DzVyzpUq/jV4ml5HYyssubqgXUD/0Fxaf9YPRn+LedQTFBwn3kqu64fs2ds hgR4SqfFCdklqVIwKeTzJSJCahEeU+UCcBxml/Rs+NLj/OJSS8tgxm3aiQ9zmEcR ehCooUGqq/mrljB8ltrSjogSlhAMxNjTtO2zft35F00zORxErNXSVtzaiBbrTE7R WK5pRIfsDlPzooE46xA+osP5qtqeSmoF8GRCJdncUMGKl1/9werAn1yX/YstKDVk peZHDqlf/DdsrW2CgVBatrBgcT1ULvNgkw2NM+mSHj9hgYmf+R5UVoDBF3rdDgMQ 2iz53OzcUlTgVbUmwrLyxYIw3kL8pemTHR5aYMcmHGy9dtwy7+BWJURDuNOLGSy3 0QiqaXdscWko9O9ChFOB11yAbSu6IF4y/LK4pE59dh1ia9SdJMidM9Xm2xzPmY9f nxAccTmeQPDNOKijgOa6 =hKXW -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----