From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0978C1389AF for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2013 23:19:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8FE7821C010; Mon, 11 Feb 2013 23:19:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 74CAEE0540 for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2013 23:19:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.20] (215.107.2.81.in-addr.arpa [81.2.107.215]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: lu_zero) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3DB9B33E66E for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2013 23:19:00 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <51197C65.10808@gentoo.org> Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2013 00:19:01 +0100 From: Luca Barbato User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130207 Thunderbird/17.0.2 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: Discussing defaults (Was: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in virtual/ffmpeg: ffmpeg-9.ebuild ChangeLog ffmpeg-0.10.2-r1.ebuild) References: <20130116124002.B9FA22171D@flycatcher.gentoo.org> <4176032.KcqBdYLtS8@arcarius> <20130207055244.9167.qmail@stuge.se> <1843047.zKdLAzEhcU@lebrodyl> <20130208184652.5fd15c00@gentoo.org> <5116593F.5000209@gentoo.org> <20130210230114.07ab4467@gentoo.org> <5118D530.10201@gentoo.org> <20130211104945.62f8d487@gentoo.org> <51195CEB.7000505@gentoo.org> <20130211213334.4398.qmail@stuge.se> In-Reply-To: <20130211213334.4398.qmail@stuge.se> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: c81f1777-1f9f-49e2-a018-73a056926c48 X-Archives-Hash: 5fe42cc14b628c914bd0b30920b8329f On 11/02/13 22:33, Peter Stuge wrote: > Luca Barbato wrote: >> May I point you that ~10 people were the majority of what was FFmpeg, >> thus 10 people were enough to demote democratically the so called Leader >> and that guy got the name from Fabrice as his personal decision? > > There was probably a reason for Fabrice to do that, and majority and > democracy doesn't have much to do with it. It is more likely that 10 > people are "right" than that 3 are, but a group of 10 is still quite > small. I wouldn't mind reading about the backstory. Do you know of > some good links beyond the two that were posted already? The reason behind Fabrice actions is probably the same behind me trying for 3 months to not having to go the way it went. I got to change my mind since I was involved, Fabrice hadn't been since ages and he is doing something totally different nowadays. > Users will never be satisfied. But I guess you agree that API > compatibility will certainly avoid extra problems for users. It is not related to users, is related to me being called as swine a traitor and having death threats. *Slightly* less technical than discussing API. > I don't think open source neccessarily is democracy, and of course a > disagreement about something fairly fundamental such as that can > be more than enough to cause a fork. The rules in Libav are quite well defined and decently enforced. Again, if you have ~15 people and one is deemed misbehaving by more than 10, which is the fork? lu