[gentoo-dev] Half of the firmware packages in tree install to wrong directory

[gentoo-dev] Half of the firmware packages in tree install to wrong directory

[Samuli Suominen]

Any objections if I slap a generic package.mask on every firmware 
package installing to wrong directory?
Half of them install to /$(get_libdir)/firmware as opposed to correct 
/lib/firmware.
Most of them are maintainer-needed@ and very old.

Then intrested parties get to fix what they want and unmask?

- Samuli

Re: [gentoo-dev] Half of the firmware packages in tree install to wrong directory

[Diego Elio Pettenò]

On 08/02/2013 18:53, Samuli Suominen wrote:
> 
> Then intrested parties get to fix what they want and unmask?

I would say that we might want to review linux-firmware, and if the
newest firmware _is_ there, just get rid of the split one.

-- 
Diego Elio Pettenò — Flameeyes
flameeyes@flameeyes.eu — http://blog.flameeyes.eu/

Re: [gentoo-dev] Half of the firmware packages in tree install to wrong directory

[Tomáš Chvátal]

2013/2/8 Diego Elio Pettenò <flameeyes@flameeyes.eu>:
> On 08/02/2013 18:53, Samuli Suominen wrote:
>>
>> Then intrested parties get to fix what they want and unmask?
>
> I would say that we might want to review linux-firmware, and if the
> newest firmware _is_ there, just get rid of the split one.
>
That should be probably the best approach, to actually kill of the
lone ones and keep the linux-firmware only.

Tom

Re: [gentoo-dev] Half of the firmware packages in tree install to wrong directory

[Ian Stakenvicius]

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On 08/02/13 01:14 PM, Tomáš Chvátal wrote:
> 2013/2/8 Diego Elio Pettenò <flameeyes@flameeyes.eu>:
>> On 08/02/2013 18:53, Samuli Suominen wrote:
>>> 
>>> Then intrested parties get to fix what they want and unmask?
>> 
>> I would say that we might want to review linux-firmware, and if
>> the newest firmware _is_ there, just get rid of the split one.
>> 
> That should be probably the best approach, to actually kill of the 
> lone ones and keep the linux-firmware only.
> 
> Tom
> 


There aren't cases where a user with older hardware would want to have
access to the older (lone) firmwares, is there?


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Re: [gentoo-dev] Half of the firmware packages in tree install to wrong directory

[Ulrich Mueller]

>>>>> On Fri, 8 Feb 2013, Tomáš Chvátal wrote:

> 2013/2/8 Diego Elio Pettenò <flameeyes@flameeyes.eu>:
>> I would say that we might want to review linux-firmware, and if the
>> newest firmware _is_ there, just get rid of the split one.
>> 
> That should be probably the best approach, to actually kill of the
> lone ones and keep the linux-firmware only.

I disagree. Why should we force users to install lots of crap (some of
it being non-free) that they will never need because they don't have
the hardware?

Ulrich

Re: [gentoo-dev] Half of the firmware packages in tree install to wrong directory

[Samuli Suominen]

On 09/02/13 11:06, Ulrich Mueller wrote:
>>>>>> On Fri, 8 Feb 2013, Tomáš Chvátal wrote:
>
>> 2013/2/8 Diego Elio Pettenò <flameeyes@flameeyes.eu>:
>>> I would say that we might want to review linux-firmware, and if the
>>> newest firmware _is_ there, just get rid of the split one.
>>>
>> That should be probably the best approach, to actually kill of the
>> lone ones and keep the linux-firmware only.
>
> I disagree. Why should we force users to install lots of crap (some of
> it being non-free) that they will never need because they don't have
> the hardware?
>
> Ulrich
>

Maybe you don't understand how linux-firmware package works. It only 
installs what you want -- it uses the savedconfig eclass to handle a 
list of wanted firmwares.

I admit I never bothered to trim down my install of it, but the point is 
YOU CAN do it.

- Samuli

Re: [gentoo-dev] Half of the firmware packages in tree install to wrong directory

[Ulrich Mueller]

>>>>> On Sat, 09 Feb 2013, Samuli Suominen wrote:

>> I disagree. Why should we force users to install lots of crap (some
>> of it being non-free) that they will never need because they don't
>> have the hardware?

> Maybe you don't understand how linux-firmware package works. It only
> installs what you want -- it uses the savedconfig eclass to handle a
> list of wanted firmwares.

> I admit I never bothered to trim down my install of it, but the
> point is YOU CAN do it.

I stand corrected.

Ulrich

Re: [gentoo-dev] Half of the firmware packages in tree install to wrong directory

[Michał Górny]

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On Sat, 09 Feb 2013 11:09:15 +0200
Samuli Suominen <ssuominen@gentoo.org> wrote:

> On 09/02/13 11:06, Ulrich Mueller wrote:
> >>>>>> On Fri, 8 Feb 2013, Tomáš Chvátal wrote:
> >
> >> 2013/2/8 Diego Elio Pettenò <flameeyes@flameeyes.eu>:
> >>> I would say that we might want to review linux-firmware, and if the
> >>> newest firmware _is_ there, just get rid of the split one.
> >>>
> >> That should be probably the best approach, to actually kill of the
> >> lone ones and keep the linux-firmware only.
> >
> > I disagree. Why should we force users to install lots of crap (some of
> > it being non-free) that they will never need because they don't have
> > the hardware?
> >
> > Ulrich
> >
> 
> Maybe you don't understand how linux-firmware package works. It only 
> installs what you want -- it uses the savedconfig eclass to handle a 
> list of wanted firmwares.
> 
> I admit I never bothered to trim down my install of it, but the point is 
> YOU CAN do it.

I don't think that solves the license problem properly. Say, if user
doesn't want non-free software, he's going to have the whole package
masked. He'd have to work-around license + savedconfig.

Now that I look at it, it seems that the ebuild doesn't even put all
necessary licenses into LICENSE. I may be wrong but the git repo seems
to have a lot of non-standard licenses.

-- 
Best regards,
Michał Górny

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Half of the firmware packages in tree install to wrong directory

[Ulrich Mueller]

>>>>> On Sat, 9 Feb 2013, Michał Górny wrote:

> I don't think that solves the license problem properly. Say, if user
> doesn't want non-free software, he's going to have the whole package
> masked. He'd have to work-around license + savedconfig.

> Now that I look at it, it seems that the ebuild doesn't even put all
> necessary licenses into LICENSE. I may be wrong but the git repo seems
> to have a lot of non-standard licenses.

Yes, it is a mess and it changes often. You can find an attempt to
disentangle it in bug 318841.

Ulrich

Re: [gentoo-dev] Half of the firmware packages in tree install to wrong directory

[J. Roeleveld]

Ulrich Mueller <ulm@gentoo.org> wrote:

>>>>>> On Fri, 8 Feb 2013, Tomáš Chvátal wrote:
>
>> 2013/2/8 Diego Elio Pettenò <flameeyes@flameeyes.eu>:
>>> I would say that we might want to review linux-firmware, and if the
>>> newest firmware _is_ there, just get rid of the split one.
>>> 
>> That should be probably the best approach, to actually kill of the
>> lone ones and keep the linux-firmware only.
>
>I disagree. Why should we force users to install lots of crap (some of
>it being non-free) that they will never need because they don't have
>the hardware?
>
>Ulrich

Why not specify which firmwares are to be installed using a 'FIRMWARE' variable. Similar to VIDEOCARDS?

--
Joost Roeleveld
-- 
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Half of the firmware packages in tree install to wrong directory

[Samuli Suominen]

On 09/02/13 11:11, J. Roeleveld wrote:
> Ulrich Mueller <ulm@gentoo.org> wrote:
>
>>>>>>> On Fri, 8 Feb 2013, Tomáš Chvátal wrote:
>>
>>> 2013/2/8 Diego Elio Pettenò <flameeyes@flameeyes.eu>:
>>>> I would say that we might want to review linux-firmware, and if the
>>>> newest firmware _is_ there, just get rid of the split one.
>>>>
>>> That should be probably the best approach, to actually kill of the
>>> lone ones and keep the linux-firmware only.
>>
>> I disagree. Why should we force users to install lots of crap (some of
>> it being non-free) that they will never need because they don't have
>> the hardware?
>>
>> Ulrich
>
> Why not specify which firmwares are to be installed using a 'FIRMWARE' variable. Similar to VIDEOCARDS?

Read my last reply. It's already supported through savedconfig.eclass. 
You only get what you want.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Half of the firmware packages in tree install to wrong directory

[J. Roeleveld]

Samuli Suominen <ssuominen@gentoo.org> wrote:

>On 09/02/13 11:11, J. Roeleveld wrote:
>> Ulrich Mueller <ulm@gentoo.org> wrote:
>>
>>>>>>>> On Fri, 8 Feb 2013, Tomáš Chvátal wrote:
>>>
>>>> 2013/2/8 Diego Elio Pettenò <flameeyes@flameeyes.eu>:
>>>>> I would say that we might want to review linux-firmware, and if
>the
>>>>> newest firmware _is_ there, just get rid of the split one.
>>>>>
>>>> That should be probably the best approach, to actually kill of the
>>>> lone ones and keep the linux-firmware only.
>>>
>>> I disagree. Why should we force users to install lots of crap (some
>of
>>> it being non-free) that they will never need because they don't have
>>> the hardware?
>>>
>>> Ulrich
>>
>> Why not specify which firmwares are to be installed using a
>'FIRMWARE' variable. Similar to VIDEOCARDS?
>
>Read my last reply. It's already supported through savedconfig.eclass. 
>You only get what you want.

I read it. Came after I sent my reply.

Not familiar with that class myself. Will take your word it allows limiting the firmware.

I, as a user, prefer not to have to hunt for firmware for devices supported vy the kernel. I would either install all of them or filter out the firmwares for devices I am unlikely to get.

--
Joost Roeleveld
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Half of the firmware packages in tree install to wrong directory

[Peter Stuge]

J. Roeleveld wrote:
> I, as a user, prefer not to have to hunt for firmware for devices
> supported vy the kernel. I would either install all of them or
> filter out the firmwares for devices I am unlikely to get.

I, as another user, prefer not to have a whole bunch of firmware
installed if I only want one or two of them.


//Peter

Re: [gentoo-dev] Half of the firmware packages in tree install to wrong directory

[Alexander Berntsen]

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On 11/02/13 05:27, Peter Stuge wrote:
> I, as another user, prefer not to have a whole bunch of firmware 
> installed if I only want one or two of them.
+1. Also licences. It's a mess. Not suggesting that *I* have the
magic-unicorn-land-perfect solution at hand though.

On 09/02/13 10:09, Samuli Suominen wrote:
> Maybe you don't understand how linux-firmware package works. It
> only installs what you want -- it uses the savedconfig eclass to
> handle a list of wanted firmwares.
> 
> I admit I never bothered to trim down my install of it, but the 
> point is YOU CAN do it.
Please correct me if I'm wrong, but this sounds like opt-out. I very
much dislike opt-out.

- -- 
Alexander
alexander@plaimi.net
http://plaimi.net/~alexander
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Half of the firmware packages in tree install to wrong directory

[Rick "Zero_Chaos" Farina]

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On 02/11/2013 04:03 AM, Alexander Berntsen wrote:
> On 11/02/13 05:27, Peter Stuge wrote:
>> I, as another user, prefer not to have a whole bunch of firmware 
>> installed if I only want one or two of them.
> +1. Also licences. It's a mess. Not suggesting that *I* have the
> magic-unicorn-land-perfect solution at hand though.
> 
> On 09/02/13 10:09, Samuli Suominen wrote:
>> Maybe you don't understand how linux-firmware package works. It
>> only installs what you want -- it uses the savedconfig eclass to
>> handle a list of wanted firmwares.
> 
>> I admit I never bothered to trim down my install of it, but the 
>> point is YOU CAN do it.
> Please correct me if I'm wrong, but this sounds like opt-out. I very
> much dislike opt-out.

I'm sorry but "emerge linux-firmware" is not "opt-out" that would be the
opposite.  You are specifically opting in by installing it (as you are
with ANY package in gentoo).  Nothing pulls in linux-firmware afaik you
must install it manually.  If you don't like how much is installed use
savedconfig or just download the firmware you need and drop it in place
and when it breaks you know to update.

We didn't cause this issue, as a whole the kernel community is no longer
accepting new firmware in the kernel tree.  All of it is moved into
linux-firmware.  Honestly I don't understand why people want broken
hardware, but if you do, by all means don't install linux-firmware.
Years ago firmware was just included, you always got it, and no one
complained....good times.

- -Zero
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Half of the firmware packages in tree install to wrong directory

[Rick "Zero_Chaos" Farina]

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On 02/10/2013 11:27 PM, Peter Stuge wrote:
> J. Roeleveld wrote:
>> I, as a user, prefer not to have to hunt for firmware for devices
>> supported vy the kernel. I would either install all of them or
>> filter out the firmwares for devices I am unlikely to get.
> 
> I, as another user, prefer not to have a whole bunch of firmware
> installed if I only want one or two of them.

Then you, as a user, should use savedconfig or come up with an alternate
suggestion for how to handle this.  I really am open to a better why to
pick firmware that needs to be installed, but maintaining hundreds of
individual packages is not that way.

- -Zero

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Half of the firmware packages in tree install to wrong directory

[Pacho Ramos]

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El vie, 08-02-2013 a las 19:01 +0100, Diego Elio Pettenò escribió:
> On 08/02/2013 18:53, Samuli Suominen wrote:
> > 
> > Then intrested parties get to fix what they want and unmask?
> 
> I would say that we might want to review linux-firmware, and if the
> newest firmware _is_ there, just get rid of the split one.
> 

Would prefer this option for maintainer-needed firmwares and fix the
rest if possible

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Half of the firmware packages in tree install to wrong directory

[Doug Goldstein]

On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 11:53 AM, Samuli Suominen <ssuominen@gentoo.org> wrote:
> Any objections if I slap a generic package.mask on every firmware package
> installing to wrong directory?
> Half of them install to /$(get_libdir)/firmware as opposed to correct
> /lib/firmware.
> Most of them are maintainer-needed@ and very old.
>
> Then intrested parties get to fix what they want and unmask?
>
> - Samuli
>

Whatever is correct and sticks should have a pkgmove added so that
users don't have long lasting issues.

-- 
Doug Goldstein