From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8307D1381F3 for ; Sat, 15 Dec 2012 14:20:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5DB4F21C034; Sat, 15 Dec 2012 14:20:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4340521C027 for ; Sat, 15 Dec 2012 14:19:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.3.7] (cpe-67-252-134-33.buffalo.res.rr.com [67.252.134.33]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: blueness) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 579BF33DC9D for ; Sat, 15 Dec 2012 14:19:32 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <50CC86E9.70205@gentoo.org> Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2012 09:19:21 -0500 From: "Anthony G. Basile" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:10.0.11) Gecko/20121130 Thunderbird/10.0.11 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] eudev project announcement References: <50CBF400.2060104@gentoo.org> <20121215041648.17673.qmail@stuge.se> <20121215063304.GA6552@waltdnes.org> In-Reply-To: <20121215063304.GA6552@waltdnes.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: 6f18fa82-2827-4615-bce5-5effc338f8e5 X-Archives-Hash: 0a6a739099fe44bcecb0ec62509dfa89 On 12/15/2012 01:33 AM, Walter Dnes wrote: > On Sat, Dec 15, 2012 at 05:16:48AM +0100, Peter Stuge wrote > >> I hope that eudev wants to do the respectable thing for any fork, ie. >> work hard to minimize the amount of wasted effort in both projects by >> sharing much code and bugfixes. > That would be nice if systemd/udev upstream was agreeable. On the > other hand, if the systemd/udev maintainers had accepted bug reports > ("WONTFIX" is not acceptance) and had accepted proposed patches, there > wouldn't have been a need for the eudev fork in the first place. > Lennart Poettering has admitted systemd's outright hostility to to > standalone udev... > http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/systemd-devel/2012-August/006066.html > >> Well, we intent to continue to make it possible to run udevd outside >> of systemd. But that's about it. We will ***NOT POLISH THAT, OR ADD >> NEW FEATURES*** to that or anything. >> >> OTOH we do polish behaviour of udev when used *within* systemd >> however, and that's our primary focus. >> >> And what we will ***CERTAINLY NOT DO IS COMPROMISE THE UNIFORM >> INTEGRATION INTO SYSTEMD FOR SOME COSMETIC IMPROVEMENTS FOR >> NON-SYSTEMD SYSTEMS***. >> >> (Yes, udev on non-systemd systems is in our eyes a dead end, in case >> you haven't noticed it yet. I am looking forward to the day when we >> can drop that support entirely.) > They've essentially announced ahead of time that most bugs from > non-systemd users would be closed with WONTFIX. Actually, for political > reasons, I hope that eudev does submit a bunch bugs+patches, and gets > them rejected. Then whenever anyone complains about not sharing code, > show them a bunch of WONTFIX emails from systemd/udev maintainers. > I'm not interested in forming that kind of relationship with the systemd people. I actually have some issues I'm thinking of passing their way. But I will limit myself to only those thing which I believe will make systemd/udev better. I hope they pass the same sort of bugreports/fixes our way for a standalone udev consistent with our project goals. I respect Poettering's position in that email whether or he respect mine. They have their priorities and we have our. I say that without any hard feelings. Its the way things should work in open source. The only downside to forking is a division of effort. It pulls me away from my other projects. But that's my freedom. And now I'd better stop before I start sounding like Stallman. -- Anthony G. Basile, Ph.D. Gentoo Linux Developer [Hardened] E-Mail : blueness@gentoo.org GnuPG FP : 8040 5A4D 8709 21B1 1A88 33CE 979C AF40 D045 5535 GnuPG ID : D0455535