Re: [gentoo-dev] CIA replacement

["Gregory M. Turner" <gmt@malth.us>]

On 10/1/2012 10:29 AM, Rich Freeman wrote:

>
> Looking at the tracker [1], we need a pre-upload hook (I'm not quite
> sure why), an rsync conversion script, the ability to validate the
> converted tree, and documentation.  There is still an open bug for
> commit signing, and I'm not quite sure why as this was implemented.

a job for gitolite? what does ogo use?

> Am I missing some big concern that just isn't obvious in these bugs?

Things will break.  There will be much wringing of virtual hands. But in 
1 weeks' time, everyone will get over it and find ways to fix whatever 
broke.  There will be one less thing on the big to-do list, and most 
people will be happier overall.

It's one of those "Social Security" type of things it's hard to build a 
clean consensus around /when/ to make a break like this.  I think we 
basically need a headstrong asshole in a position of sufficient 
authority to say, "fuck everyone, we are doing this, here is the 
changeover date."

Too much democracy, tactical planning and consensus-building will almost 
certainly perpetuate the status quo.

Look, Gentoo will probably fall to pieces for a few days.  The 
alternative, IMO, is a huge, elaborate multi-phase plan of some kind, 
like how Microsoft or NASA would do it: armies of 40-somethings toil for 
months or years in cubicles...  Elaborate Gantt charts and process 
diagrams are drawn up and approved by layer after layer of middle 
management.

Gentoo can tolerate a hiccup; it's survived way scarier challenges.  We 
have a huge community of very talented people highly motivated to keep 
this machinery working... there's literally zero chance that Gentoo will 
somehow have it's spirit broken by cvs->git.

In other words, devs -- imo -- just go for it.  Throw caution to the 
wind.  Break some bylaws if need be.  Ignore anyone saying "we're not 
ready."  It'll be easier to get forgiveness than permission, and exactly 
what process issues needed to be smoothed over will frankly only truly 
be clear in the aftermath.

Of course, that's easy for me to say since I'm not the one whose door 
everyone will be beating down when TSHTF.  There are worse things than 
CVS (Visual SourceSafe comes to mind).  But if we don't bite the bullet 
now, we all know we'll be having this discussion again later.

-gmt