From: "Gregory M. Turner" <gmt@malth.us>
To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] remove system set?
Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2012 12:43:51 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <502E9EF7.3040801@malth.us> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CA+czFiDO8c4wuabeC_Fd3rSDoVcBwdhGF3xEW6XWTEHuWTKDgw@mail.gmail.com>
On 8/16/2012 8:26 PM, Michael Mol wrote:
> Ideally, you'd want as narrow a bootstrapping channel as possible.
I guess I tend to think that, too, and I'm pretty sure it's correct. But
I don't normally think about why, and since you've prompted me to do so,
perhaps it's a good moment to interject the fairly obvious, but
amusingly contrary notion that there is too much of a good thing to be
had in this dimension.
I suppose the main reason to want a minimal pre-bootstrap tool-chain is
to maximize repeatability, minimize platform quirks, maximize
time-stability in the face of changing code bases, and so forth.
Plus... you know... it's a lot more likely to make somebody say "Wow!"
the "narrow" way. Which maybe sounds like I'm poking fun, but I do
actually think there's some intrinsic value in that.
However, there /are/ also reasons to make the bootstrap-er machine more
fat and complex. Most of them boiling down to there only being so much
time in a day.
Otherwise we would boot-strap from stage -10, consisting only of a sed
script and some architecture files to generate crude asm lexers ....
:)
-gmt
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2012-08-07 12:47 [gentoo-dev] Questions about SystemD and OpenRC Sylvain Alain
2012-08-07 13:17 ` Rich Freeman
2012-08-07 14:11 ` Peter Stuge
2012-08-07 14:43 ` Rich Freeman
2012-08-07 14:55 ` [gentoo-dev] Gentoo vs. upstream Peter Stuge
2012-08-07 15:33 ` [gentoo-dev] Questions about SystemD and OpenRC Sylvain Alain
2012-08-07 16:29 ` Michał Górny
2012-08-07 17:31 ` Michael Mol
2012-08-07 20:13 ` Michał Górny
2012-08-07 21:36 ` Dale
2012-08-08 2:21 ` Rich Freeman
2012-08-08 11:30 ` [gentoo-dev] " Duncan
2012-08-08 11:39 ` Peter Stuge
2012-08-08 10:55 ` Duncan
2012-08-08 11:06 ` Kent Fredric
2012-08-08 11:22 ` Peter Stuge
2012-08-08 11:47 ` Duncan
2012-08-08 20:27 ` [gentoo-dev] " Jason A. Donenfeld
2012-08-07 19:00 ` Olivier Crête
2012-08-09 8:42 ` Luca Barbato
2012-08-09 14:02 ` [gentoo-dev] pid 1 design Peter Stuge
2012-08-09 15:25 ` Rich Freeman
2012-08-09 16:00 ` Wyatt Epp
2012-08-09 17:13 ` Rich Freeman
2012-08-09 20:27 ` Peter Stuge
2012-08-09 20:37 ` Michał Górny
2012-08-09 20:45 ` Michael Mol
2012-08-09 20:56 ` Michał Górny
2012-08-10 1:32 ` heroxbd
2012-08-09 15:59 ` Luca Barbato
2012-08-09 17:29 ` William Hubbs
2012-08-09 17:30 ` William Hubbs
2012-08-09 20:48 ` Christopher Head
2012-08-10 4:52 ` [gentoo-dev] " Duncan
2012-08-09 18:12 ` [gentoo-dev] Questions about SystemD and OpenRC Olivier Crête
2012-08-09 18:31 ` William Hubbs
2012-08-09 18:41 ` Olivier Crête
2012-08-09 19:51 ` Rich Freeman
2012-08-09 18:53 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2012-08-09 18:57 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2012-08-09 19:24 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2012-08-09 19:47 ` Rich Freeman
2012-08-09 20:58 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2012-08-09 21:14 ` Rich Freeman
2012-08-14 3:24 ` Greg KH
2012-08-14 10:31 ` Rich Freeman
2012-08-14 18:12 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2012-08-14 19:14 ` Peter Stuge
2012-08-14 19:18 ` Luca Barbato
2012-08-15 10:27 ` Rich Freeman
2012-08-15 10:58 ` Michał Górny
2012-08-15 11:07 ` Fabian Groffen
2012-08-15 11:32 ` Rich Freeman
2012-08-15 11:41 ` Fabian Groffen
2012-08-15 11:50 ` Rich Freeman
2012-08-15 12:01 ` Fabian Groffen
2012-08-15 13:43 ` Rich Freeman
2012-08-15 14:04 ` [gentoo-dev] remove system set? Fabian Groffen
2012-08-16 12:05 ` Rich Freeman
2012-08-17 3:13 ` Doug Goldstein
2012-08-17 3:26 ` Michael Mol
2012-08-17 19:43 ` Gregory M. Turner [this message]
2012-08-17 20:10 ` Zac Medico
2012-08-18 1:03 ` Rich Freeman
2012-08-18 1:11 ` Michael Mol
2012-08-15 12:18 ` [gentoo-dev] Questions about SystemD and OpenRC William Hubbs
2012-08-15 18:21 ` [gentoo-dev] " Duncan
2012-08-15 19:18 ` Michael Mol
2012-08-15 19:26 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2012-08-15 19:50 ` Michael Mol
2012-08-16 11:59 ` Rich Freeman
2012-08-16 19:07 ` Zac Medico
2012-08-16 19:51 ` Gregory M. Turner
2012-08-16 20:05 ` Michael Mol
2012-08-17 1:26 ` Rich Freeman
2012-08-17 2:02 ` Michael Mol
2012-08-18 20:50 ` Gregory M. Turner
2012-08-09 19:02 ` [gentoo-dev] " Tomáš Pružina
2012-08-09 18:48 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2012-08-09 18:44 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2012-08-09 19:54 ` Rich Freeman
2012-08-09 23:00 ` Walter Dnes
2012-08-09 23:10 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2012-08-10 0:25 ` Peter Stuge
2012-08-10 2:43 ` Sylvain Alain
2012-08-09 23:12 ` Olivier Crête
2012-08-09 23:26 ` G.Wolfe Woodbury
2012-08-09 23:42 ` Rich Freeman
2012-08-09 23:26 ` Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn
2012-08-10 5:32 ` [gentoo-dev] " Duncan
2012-08-09 19:43 ` [gentoo-dev] " Michał Górny
2012-08-09 20:30 ` Luca Barbato
2012-08-09 20:47 ` Michał Górny
2012-08-10 5:04 ` [gentoo-dev] " Duncan
2012-08-10 7:43 ` Michał Górny
2012-08-10 8:45 ` Luca Barbato
2012-08-10 11:22 ` Rich Freeman
2012-08-10 18:09 ` Duncan
2012-08-11 23:29 ` [gentoo-dev] " vivo75
2012-08-12 0:12 ` Peter Stuge
2012-08-12 9:43 ` [gentoo-dev] " Duncan
2012-08-12 12:25 ` Rich Freeman
2012-08-12 13:37 ` vivo75
2012-08-12 13:43 ` Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn
2012-08-12 19:29 ` Duncan
2012-08-12 15:35 ` Mike Gilbert
2012-08-12 13:34 ` vivo75
2012-08-12 7:44 ` [gentoo-dev] " Michał Górny
2012-08-12 13:40 ` vivo75
2012-08-12 8:03 ` Samuli Suominen
2012-08-13 19:47 ` Christopher Head
2012-08-13 21:37 ` Michał Górny
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