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From: "Gregory M. Turner" <gmt@malth.us>
To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] remove system set?
Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2012 12:43:51 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <502E9EF7.3040801@malth.us> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CA+czFiDO8c4wuabeC_Fd3rSDoVcBwdhGF3xEW6XWTEHuWTKDgw@mail.gmail.com>

On 8/16/2012 8:26 PM, Michael Mol wrote:

> Ideally, you'd want as narrow a bootstrapping channel as possible.

I guess I tend to think that, too, and I'm pretty sure it's correct. But 
I don't normally think about why, and since you've prompted me to do so, 
perhaps it's a good moment to interject the fairly obvious, but 
amusingly contrary notion that there is too much of a good thing to be 
had in this dimension.

I suppose the main reason to want a minimal pre-bootstrap tool-chain is 
to maximize repeatability, minimize platform quirks, maximize 
time-stability in the face of changing code bases, and so forth.

Plus... you know... it's a lot more likely to make somebody say "Wow!" 
the "narrow" way.  Which maybe sounds like I'm poking fun, but I do 
actually think there's some intrinsic value in that.

However, there /are/ also reasons to make the bootstrap-er machine more 
fat and complex.  Most of them boiling down to there only being so much 
time in a day.

Otherwise we would boot-strap from stage -10, consisting only of a sed 
script and some architecture files to generate crude asm lexers ....
:)

-gmt


  reply	other threads:[~2012-08-17 19:46 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 112+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-08-07 12:47 [gentoo-dev] Questions about SystemD and OpenRC Sylvain Alain
2012-08-07 13:17 ` Rich Freeman
2012-08-07 14:11   ` Peter Stuge
2012-08-07 14:43     ` Rich Freeman
2012-08-07 14:55       ` [gentoo-dev] Gentoo vs. upstream Peter Stuge
2012-08-07 15:33       ` [gentoo-dev] Questions about SystemD and OpenRC Sylvain Alain
2012-08-07 16:29         ` Michał Górny
2012-08-07 17:31           ` Michael Mol
2012-08-07 20:13             ` Michał Górny
2012-08-07 21:36               ` Dale
2012-08-08  2:21                 ` Rich Freeman
2012-08-08 11:30                 ` [gentoo-dev] " Duncan
2012-08-08 11:39                   ` Peter Stuge
2012-08-08 10:55               ` Duncan
2012-08-08 11:06                 ` Kent Fredric
2012-08-08 11:22                   ` Peter Stuge
2012-08-08 11:47                     ` Duncan
2012-08-08 20:27   ` [gentoo-dev] " Jason A. Donenfeld
2012-08-07 19:00 ` Olivier Crête
2012-08-09  8:42   ` Luca Barbato
2012-08-09 14:02     ` [gentoo-dev] pid 1 design Peter Stuge
2012-08-09 15:25       ` Rich Freeman
2012-08-09 16:00         ` Wyatt Epp
2012-08-09 17:13           ` Rich Freeman
2012-08-09 20:27             ` Peter Stuge
2012-08-09 20:37               ` Michał Górny
2012-08-09 20:45                 ` Michael Mol
2012-08-09 20:56                   ` Michał Górny
2012-08-10  1:32                 ` heroxbd
2012-08-09 15:59       ` Luca Barbato
2012-08-09 17:29         ` William Hubbs
2012-08-09 17:30         ` William Hubbs
2012-08-09 20:48           ` Christopher Head
2012-08-10  4:52         ` [gentoo-dev] " Duncan
2012-08-09 18:12     ` [gentoo-dev] Questions about SystemD and OpenRC Olivier Crête
2012-08-09 18:31       ` William Hubbs
2012-08-09 18:41         ` Olivier Crête
2012-08-09 19:51           ` Rich Freeman
2012-08-09 18:53         ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2012-08-09 18:57           ` Ciaran McCreesh
2012-08-09 19:24             ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2012-08-09 19:47               ` Rich Freeman
2012-08-09 20:58                 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2012-08-09 21:14                   ` Rich Freeman
2012-08-14  3:24                 ` Greg KH
2012-08-14 10:31                   ` Rich Freeman
2012-08-14 18:12                     ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2012-08-14 19:14                       ` Peter Stuge
2012-08-14 19:18                         ` Luca Barbato
2012-08-15 10:27                       ` Rich Freeman
2012-08-15 10:58                         ` Michał Górny
2012-08-15 11:07                           ` Fabian Groffen
2012-08-15 11:32                             ` Rich Freeman
2012-08-15 11:41                               ` Fabian Groffen
2012-08-15 11:50                                 ` Rich Freeman
2012-08-15 12:01                                   ` Fabian Groffen
2012-08-15 13:43                                     ` Rich Freeman
2012-08-15 14:04                                       ` [gentoo-dev] remove system set? Fabian Groffen
2012-08-16 12:05                                         ` Rich Freeman
2012-08-17  3:13                                           ` Doug Goldstein
2012-08-17  3:26                                             ` Michael Mol
2012-08-17 19:43                                               ` Gregory M. Turner [this message]
2012-08-17 20:10                                               ` Zac Medico
2012-08-18  1:03                                               ` Rich Freeman
2012-08-18  1:11                                                 ` Michael Mol
2012-08-15 12:18                         ` [gentoo-dev] Questions about SystemD and OpenRC William Hubbs
2012-08-15 18:21                         ` [gentoo-dev] " Duncan
2012-08-15 19:18                           ` Michael Mol
2012-08-15 19:26                             ` Ciaran McCreesh
2012-08-15 19:50                               ` Michael Mol
2012-08-16 11:59                             ` Rich Freeman
2012-08-16 19:07                               ` Zac Medico
2012-08-16 19:51                               ` Gregory M. Turner
2012-08-16 20:05                                 ` Michael Mol
2012-08-17  1:26                                   ` Rich Freeman
2012-08-17  2:02                                     ` Michael Mol
2012-08-18 20:50                                     ` Gregory M. Turner
2012-08-09 19:02           ` [gentoo-dev] " Tomáš Pružina
2012-08-09 18:48       ` Ciaran McCreesh
2012-08-09 18:44     ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2012-08-09 19:54       ` Rich Freeman
2012-08-09 23:00       ` Walter Dnes
2012-08-09 23:10         ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2012-08-10  0:25           ` Peter Stuge
2012-08-10  2:43             ` Sylvain Alain
2012-08-09 23:12         ` Olivier Crête
2012-08-09 23:26           ` G.Wolfe Woodbury
2012-08-09 23:42             ` Rich Freeman
2012-08-09 23:26           ` Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn
2012-08-10  5:32             ` [gentoo-dev] " Duncan
2012-08-09 19:43     ` [gentoo-dev] " Michał Górny
2012-08-09 20:30       ` Luca Barbato
2012-08-09 20:47         ` Michał Górny
2012-08-10  5:04           ` [gentoo-dev] " Duncan
2012-08-10  7:43             ` Michał Górny
2012-08-10  8:45               ` Luca Barbato
2012-08-10 11:22                 ` Rich Freeman
2012-08-10 18:09               ` Duncan
2012-08-11 23:29 ` [gentoo-dev] " vivo75
2012-08-12  0:12   ` Peter Stuge
2012-08-12  9:43     ` [gentoo-dev] " Duncan
2012-08-12 12:25       ` Rich Freeman
2012-08-12 13:37         ` vivo75
2012-08-12 13:43         ` Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn
2012-08-12 19:29           ` Duncan
2012-08-12 15:35         ` Mike Gilbert
2012-08-12 13:34       ` vivo75
2012-08-12  7:44   ` [gentoo-dev] " Michał Górny
2012-08-12 13:40     ` vivo75
2012-08-12  8:03 ` Samuli Suominen
2012-08-13 19:47   ` Christopher Head
2012-08-13 21:37     ` Michał Górny

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