From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2A4613800E for ; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 17:34:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8EB02E068C; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 17:34:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail2.viabit.com (mail2.viabit.com [65.246.80.16]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A67C6E0478 for ; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 17:33:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [10.1.1.204] (unknown [65.213.236.244]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail2.viabit.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id F3DFF37B00 for ; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 13:33:48 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=orlitzky.com; s=mail2; t=1343669628; bh=X+/os3j6+092LmNhUj138PXbJevu1C2AkKoBWTjbfLg=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To; b=Xdc5zww41Af1cW7gzbtdoIdNk4ri9hyt6fd7miDuMpiGmrm4+8/zQqaypH1qH1Ha3 mWxb2zmfmgxvi5UE9gEV4C2sQsV64YIcCBvM6uzFzAD4OYK9cFa1TNtZZBU+9K+7AY 2mI6Kt3KNqD45y0qteEXAR8T3RK2eMSc4wtDY/WU= Message-ID: <5016C57C.4050304@orlitzky.com> Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 13:33:48 -0400 From: Michael Orlitzky User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:10.0.5) Gecko/20120614 Thunderbird/10.0.5 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] UTF-8 locale by default References: <3146937.NEprMvEFLe@mephista> <20498.15988.225230.614853@a1i15.kph.uni-mainz.de> <501285DC.2020207@gentoo.org> <201207271324.48571.vapier@gentoo.org> <1343413763.7511.1.camel@belkin4> <5012F712.7030806@gentoo.org> <50169BB8.4030408@orlitzky.com> <20120730164141.1573fadd@pomiocik.lan> <50169F35.60504@orlitzky.com> <20120730182824.0b679d8a@pomiocik.lan> In-Reply-To: <20120730182824.0b679d8a@pomiocik.lan> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Archives-Salt: 1bc4fcd6-37e5-459c-9247-2073b5dcecc5 X-Archives-Hash: 551f95cf6c98f8a4a08f619fb71e7cfa On 07/30/12 12:28, Michał Górny wrote: > > My point here is that you want the thing to change. So you first try to > convince people here to change. We practically did a small survey here > and in the result we didn't agree on doing the change. > > So you're saying we should do another survey on another group, hoping > that this time the result will be on your side. We didn't do a survey, we asked, "Is there a reason for not using at least en_US.UTF-8 as a "sane" default value?" Unsurprisingly, the responses contained reasons for not using en_US.UTF-8 as the default. Don't take my original reply out of context, I don't actually care what we have as the default. > > It depends on who the 'unbiased sample' is. Are you interested only in > opinion of Gentoo users who visit the website? Who sync once a day? > Once a week? Who follow Gentoo Planet? Who participate in the forums? > > We can create the survey and announce it everywhere. But it still won't > catch many old-time Gentoo users who can actually have something > opposite to say. It won't be unbiased. The technical objection to C.UTF-8 is that it's non-standard, Ok. What are the technical objections to LC_CTYPE=en_US.UTF-8? If the alternatives are all improvements, the statistics are irrelevant.