From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1765013800E for ; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 14:51:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id BA5A021C00E; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 14:51:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail2.viabit.com (mail2.viabit.com [65.246.80.16]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71DAAE058A for ; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 14:50:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [10.1.1.204] (unknown [65.213.236.244]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail2.viabit.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 23E8037AF7 for ; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 10:50:29 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=orlitzky.com; s=mail2; t=1343659829; bh=N+P15kozHohnIepPizjJHNN3x1epHXuQOwWO2YNO7D0=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To; b=GF+GwtXxVr4NQBsufb1dQ0O1/zGeHf8RT/mnAUJyZLfmVspifaAfkAbrmJgcCzhQu T2IvMjkdit0xcReXlZFv4lF5gJj4Enp4MBwFfdXZZ/njXd8nzPJUVmF1yY/RroJFwj 4eb5/Je5UIf2xv5b+1BFiRxyhq+pWWxOs6/e+LHM= Message-ID: <50169F35.60504@orlitzky.com> Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 10:50:29 -0400 From: Michael Orlitzky User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:10.0.5) Gecko/20120614 Thunderbird/10.0.5 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] UTF-8 locale by default References: <3146937.NEprMvEFLe@mephista> <20498.15988.225230.614853@a1i15.kph.uni-mainz.de> <501285DC.2020207@gentoo.org> <201207271324.48571.vapier@gentoo.org> <1343413763.7511.1.camel@belkin4> <5012F712.7030806@gentoo.org> <50169BB8.4030408@orlitzky.com> <20120730164141.1573fadd@pomiocik.lan> In-Reply-To: <20120730164141.1573fadd@pomiocik.lan> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Archives-Salt: 534e37e0-f982-40ed-917d-a0b931880fca X-Archives-Hash: 9a0be8f7c66c6011cb45bdba523f9c91 On 07/30/12 10:41, Michał Górny wrote: > On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 10:35:36 -0400 > Michael Orlitzky wrote: > >> On 07/27/12 16:16, Aaron W. Swenson wrote: >>> >>> No user will be happy with whatever we decide to use as a default. >> >> The defaults should be what's best for the most people, with a bias >> towards safety. Why don't we just take a survey and choose the most >> common utf8 response? > > How can you take a survey like that? How will you ensure it actually > hits the majority? How will you define the majority? > Considering that the alternative is to force everyone to change it manually, you can do it however you want and it'll be an improvement. 1) Create a webpage with a bunch of options, count the results 2) Ask the g.o mailing lists, count responses manually 3) Use google docs like the website survey that went out a few days ago It won't hit everyone, but no survey ever does. As long as you get a large enough unbiased sample, it doesn't matter. And anything would be an improvement, so it doesn't matter anyway.