From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21AD613800E for ; Fri, 27 Jul 2012 20:18:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id DB3BAE06F4; Fri, 27 Jul 2012 20:18:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE3B821C00F for ; Fri, 27 Jul 2012 20:16:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.249.131] (unknown [63.142.135.69]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: titanofold) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 123CF1B4019 for ; Fri, 27 Jul 2012 20:16:42 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <5012F712.7030806@gentoo.org> Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2012 16:16:18 -0400 From: "Aaron W. Swenson" Organization: Gentoo Linux User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120727 Thunderbird/14.0 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] UTF-8 locale by default References: <3146937.NEprMvEFLe@mephista> <20498.15988.225230.614853@a1i15.kph.uni-mainz.de> <501285DC.2020207@gentoo.org> <201207271324.48571.vapier@gentoo.org> <1343413763.7511.1.camel@belkin4> In-Reply-To: <1343413763.7511.1.camel@belkin4> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.5a1pre Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Archives-Salt: 041a32e4-a415-4320-94e7-787b86876880 X-Archives-Hash: 63b0f930c39b07711d6d7c96d0d1fc91 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 On 07/27/2012 02:29 PM, Pacho Ramos wrote: > El vie, 27-07-2012 a las 13:24 -0400, Mike Frysinger escribió: >> On Friday 27 July 2012 08:13:16 Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn >> wrote: >>> Ulrich Mueller schrieb: >>>> As I had pointed out before [1], changing from POSIX to an >>>> en_US locale will have undesirable side effects, like commas >>>> as thousands separators in numbers (because of LC_NUMERIC). >>>> Also the defaults of en_US for LC_MEASUREMENT and LC_PAPER >>>> are only useful in the U.S. >>>> >>>> So if we change the default (but I still don't see the need), >>>> we >>>> >>>> should go for a less intrusive setting like: LANG="POSIX" >>>> LC_CTYPE="en_US.utf8" >>> >>> This would be better than LANG="en_US.utf8" but I would still >>> prefer not to have any country/region attached to the locale. >>> The C.UTF-8 locale which Debian uses for this purpose (a UTF-8 >>> locale without side effects) appears more suitable to me. >> >> yes, and i'm waiting on the POSIX group to formalize C.UTF-8. >> that's the only real option in my mind for making unicode the >> default. any other amalgamations of various locales is ugly as >> sin. -mike > > Do you have any idea about how much time could that formalization > take? If it will take a long time, maybe we could go to that > amalgamations :-/ > Really, how much of an inconvenience is it that we don't use UTF-8 as a default? In my mind, it is sufficient that we instruct users how to set the locale in the handbook. No user will be happy with whatever we decide to use as a default. I will be especially upset if we use the metric system instead of the *STANDARD* system. It has 'standard' in the name for a reason people. (^_^) - -- Mr. Aaron W. Swenson Gentoo Linux Developer Email : titanofold@gentoo.org GnuPG FP : 2C00 7719 4F85 FB07 A49C 0E31 5713 AA03 D1BB FDA0 GnuPG ID : D1BBFDA0 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iF4EAREIAAYFAlAS9xEACgkQVxOqA9G7/aDXmQEAmKW1MNgHDZpjE0JBWsWssq0h LR32rvm0CrafIhD6v3UA/Aiuq6BTGxfJ3pO6+pP5xtQ5RD0ML5+89sSfKX6R1DEo =JtMV -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----