From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 167B7138334 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2019 22:06:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id AEA30E081E; Thu, 21 Nov 2019 22:05:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.133]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 131A4E0814 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2019 22:05:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.6.147] ([212.159.46.162]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue010 [213.165.67.99]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1MWRmF-1iMCLE0fmt-00Xu8F for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2019 23:05:51 +0100 Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Addressing split usage of USE=gles[123] To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org References: <20191121033234.GE8235@cloudsdale.the-delta.net.eu.org> <45eb8a75607adb832f8fc1765e7d06a04b016023.camel@gentoo.org> <3510669.sfXIqWOT4O@ernie> From: Michael 'veremitz' Everitt Openpgp: preference=signencrypt Autocrypt: addr=gentoo@veremit.xyz; 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Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.9.1 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org X-Auto-Response-Suppress: DR, RN, NRN, OOF, AutoReply MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <3510669.sfXIqWOT4O@ernie> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="T9mzCFeGz5bibmBIAoNX8eUHxTCMsI1Q2" X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:JHQk5bAHdIec/0eCB/H/xAHDrvpp8O7fpyNsvWMkCaqVGkPiv+G NhclvuUQgMQcgqbZQ4SuuTamot0WVGbGxNvsPEwO5kxbV1HMQGqW8CxFJLbgBa4PZtDKOVk 5lneNTgzdICuSFxFyWEFKtiXOy81McRZvVcRwgHdXFl/EySCFdooRVwz+KI2WZLx4KzelWv jFaTU1YsInAlYZQe5PonQ== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:/5bil/vrx84=:wXGQMqT1CgJCeE4S5VmOTj +KnoBY//1Gc1Y6u4CWe1f4aibcIEfYu1VgIVa6p12PE2zuujg4qdHYfFJMIljVggurfQPFJDn AY6FJW9qdfD73a9wysA32qp4x6o7vppBIYVJ1FZXciplv7422JNsagjoQFngzc9mLgRpvj8Xq 3jJy3/E3IxgaLMO1FrepKTsmKhWgnhozo+2QzFq7wioxgyC3WHrlAvChzMIAAnrLnLG80hP35 0h5DmdPhgaM1sRy/Y53/szg5JMO7ULw8ToRyhOztDeDdCIUnhVmbMvTRMNt72OoA3NuUkl0x9 Q/K8hldB4RFOZZ/MXPSG1d6atcvwHpb1P/6lqRJ+dijjBmVJ4f7T91tOJWfoIQL4k9NPFsT4E B9nrG7JC7lHKgtRt2Sx+u9m6ftPnWQUuCpjAVvRYsXg6zBoS9cXvn5MSFqiDoDrlS/46Lwl5m 4K2kaICrwAY4u9LbebDS29yycKmJ7emb0eD63bjilZNz7JCinGHy7HeoSctfkxn8/yseqyZGQ TrydAfjsDRfJb9EBsZ4Cfddy8O0jRYTR5dxyj1+nOWdKLo3/BtrpC4QZMCixHlTncwioSGxio yuiF1i25RHkWi7yGAdKBxU8hNGlFfRapB9castuNaZ48euVn4MLACxoIdUBkZgIsqTxtzHg6L 0pSJPz+IKym8llByFRlReZBl68A4d/2x89yuVUC2AXM8QuqMgTofoIq5ZZSkQ3P0f0J+qaPGG 0c92JrsWZGPHLrbLzYsuTucg1K1Los6uvsTpM0SFudNf5q6ul951vY2lUhFxhFnfSCYbYUlbz Hnvv4FGDFDomXu5C4fS3pJzUs5+qH+JFCs6ua6CjXxRT4wTRMKvRGpyki0wPhlcwQgjH/vqQC Cu6iiVcxklJPxyPsgVqg== X-Archives-Salt: 6f33a99f-6abf-41cd-8e13-f09d97c0d924 X-Archives-Hash: 1d495a2e1b6c915f549b6cc22614d370 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --T9mzCFeGz5bibmBIAoNX8eUHxTCMsI1Q2 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="jLgf5eO701DrNY2VfhFyzH7IUvwTEAadL"; protected-headers="v1" From: Michael 'veremitz' Everitt To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Message-ID: <4c0f02d9-8792-f752-25c8-bb3c8a9e5d1e@veremit.xyz> Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Addressing split usage of USE=gles[123] References: <20191121033234.GE8235@cloudsdale.the-delta.net.eu.org> <45eb8a75607adb832f8fc1765e7d06a04b016023.camel@gentoo.org> <3510669.sfXIqWOT4O@ernie> In-Reply-To: <3510669.sfXIqWOT4O@ernie> --jLgf5eO701DrNY2VfhFyzH7IUvwTEAadL Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Language: en-GB On 21/11/19 21:53, Dennis Schridde wrote: > On Donnerstag, 21. November 2019 09:11:46 CET Mart Raudsepp wrote: >> See also this related old thread: >> https://archives.gentoo.org/gentoo-dev/message/e04f6d321e424a237af6272= 1d1d09 >> 211 > I think tackling the triad of opengl/gles, egl/glx, X/wayland is also a= good > idea. Generally, all these probably have to distinguish between "suppo= rt for > XYZ" and "use only XYZ", the latter hopefully being the exception, so t= hat the > former can take the shorter use-flag. That's what I don't like about t= he > proposal from 2018: Globally enabling USE=3Dgles will have different ef= fects on > different packages. That's also what I like about the recent proposal:= The > flags are more explicit. > > --Dennis I don't think the problem is so much in the principle of making a change,= or even the specifics of any particular permutation of change, it's who gets to manage and implement the change in a maintainable fashion, and wh= o has to deal with the fallout of any changes occurring where a particular scenario 'slips through the net'.... If you can convince the latter people that there is no problem arising fr= om making said changes, and you ensure that there genuinely *is* minimal impact (by whatever means) then you stand a much better chance of this change actually being implemented .. --jLgf5eO701DrNY2VfhFyzH7IUvwTEAadL-- --T9mzCFeGz5bibmBIAoNX8eUHxTCMsI1Q2 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIcBAEBCAAGBQJd1wo8AAoJEEwwM0+TwiNxcxYP/0/WwZcvfQPKBV9yPGtZhrS7 v2ctVNwS5tXNE6KBRS3hV/63URCoiAgpxentghjnJ7CcM0LkBTG9Y0FLDhtkdsaX q/J9belKof5epEIngmF8xBdVuBHS6vXlP/vrY+UiMNtlA/cEvEZFxxwdkwh/Qxu7 5CV1DnSD7WGAxtJ4jZZCDQGIlDVxjWnKUAk8cpXuwoMzfhVQD6gTE+etDJMYMKvI GuS8THblZuqfpGwus4E5fUW2GOYD10tyfXH1bg/3VQNAewcLCj6VnAyRYhwYp1jr TnryEIEoZS3zvPNKRJlOrRtgaja8wJHhdlcTQgSD34QZML9YCmRVrPp9ZhK4hnwP k6eXMCFx3ibY9/obxN8q7a/QeDYxK72GYZCbo78HNV/Ve/HaPgiRMlunLPR14WvT fjjzmkfrd1Wx2TpG8NVdnUYiBm4GX1p+cwlGB0NPfJHQxUZ2hw9YcRYv4qUTkgqk XOobkUWMvXdiSIGBUhf5MS6xt7u1WRCXQ6hPfEIS7NSRpX+xlYI7WSoo24JKk9Na tT1WtYjXrBeRClDboQOscCZeEy7NbORszF8f9wX+eBSDxFxeCUcVyQw2fkMQruFW p7uy8fTjdaqJ7OK6612r3rDquZOKOn+HhwIDWO4JN5qqq+AsInxahhY38taF56DX 5Ht4ZLUD0JAgVVK1vYDg =WdhT -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --T9mzCFeGz5bibmBIAoNX8eUHxTCMsI1Q2--