[gentoo-dev] Remove eclass/ChangeLog (was: Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in eclass: autotools.eclass)

[gentoo-dev] Remove eclass/ChangeLog (was: Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in eclass: autotools.eclass)

[Samuli Suominen]

ChangeLog entries missing for every autotools.eclass modification today.

On 05/20/2012 03:31 PM, Mike Frysinger (vapier) wrote:
> vapier      12/05/20 12:31:33
>
>    Modified:             autotools.eclass
>    Log:
>    we don't use anything from eutils eclass now, so drop the inherit
>
> Revision  Changes    Path
> 1.134                eclass/autotools.eclass
>
> file : http://sources.gentoo.org/viewvc.cgi/gentoo-x86/eclass/autotools.eclass?rev=1.134&view=markup
> plain: http://sources.gentoo.org/viewvc.cgi/gentoo-x86/eclass/autotools.eclass?rev=1.134&content-type=text/plain
> diff : http://sources.gentoo.org/viewvc.cgi/gentoo-x86/eclass/autotools.eclass?r1=1.133&r2=1.134
>
> Index: autotools.eclass
> ===================================================================
> RCS file: /var/cvsroot/gentoo-x86/eclass/autotools.eclass,v
> retrieving revision 1.133
> retrieving revision 1.134
> diff -u -r1.133 -r1.134
> --- autotools.eclass	20 May 2012 10:39:45 -0000	1.133
> +++ autotools.eclass	20 May 2012 12:31:32 -0000	1.134
> @@ -1,6 +1,6 @@
>   # Copyright 1999-2012 Gentoo Foundation
>   # Distributed under the terms of the GNU General Public License v2
> -# $Header: /var/cvsroot/gentoo-x86/eclass/autotools.eclass,v 1.133 2012/05/20 10:39:45 vapier Exp $
> +# $Header: /var/cvsroot/gentoo-x86/eclass/autotools.eclass,v 1.134 2012/05/20 12:31:32 vapier Exp $
>
>   # @ECLASS: autotools.eclass
>   # @MAINTAINER:
> @@ -16,7 +16,7 @@
>   if [[ ${___ECLASS_ONCE_AUTOTOOLS} != "recur -_+^+_- spank" ]] ; then
>   ___ECLASS_ONCE_AUTOTOOLS="recur -_+^+_- spank"
>
> -inherit eutils libtool
> +inherit libtool
>
>   # @ECLASS-VARIABLE: WANT_AUTOCONF
>   # @DESCRIPTION:
>
>
>
>

Re: [gentoo-dev] Remove eclass/ChangeLog (was: Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in eclass: autotools.eclass)

[Michał Górny]

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On Sun, 20 May 2012 15:33:11 +0300
Samuli Suominen <ssuominen@gentoo.org> wrote:

> ChangeLog entries missing for every autotools.eclass modification
> today.

I will repeat once again: autogenerate them.

-- 
Best regards,
Michał Górny

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Remove eclass/ChangeLog (was: Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in eclass: autotools.eclass)

[Nirbheek Chauhan]

On Sun, May 20, 2012 at 6:55 PM, Michał Górny <mgorny@gentoo.org> wrote:
> On Sun, 20 May 2012 15:33:11 +0300
> Samuli Suominen <ssuominen@gentoo.org> wrote:
>
>> ChangeLog entries missing for every autotools.eclass modification
>> today.
>
> I will repeat once again: autogenerate them.
>

+1 for this, seriously.

-- 
~Nirbheek Chauhan

Gentoo GNOME+Mozilla Team

Re: [gentoo-dev] Remove eclass/ChangeLog (was: Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in eclass: autotools.eclass)

[Andreas K. Huettel]

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Am Sonntag 20 Mai 2012, 15:30:45 schrieb Nirbheek Chauhan:
> On Sun, May 20, 2012 at 6:55 PM, Michał Górny <mgorny@gentoo.org> wrote:
> > On Sun, 20 May 2012 15:33:11 +0300
> > 
> > Samuli Suominen <ssuominen@gentoo.org> wrote:
> >> ChangeLog entries missing for every autotools.eclass modification
> >> today.
> > 
> > I will repeat once again: autogenerate them.
> 
> +1 for this, seriously.

Yes please.

And forget about the difference between "user-oriented" and "dev-oriented". 
That's only an issue for people with too much time (also for debating).

-- 

Andreas K. Huettel
Gentoo Linux developer 
dilfridge@gentoo.org
http://www.akhuettel.de/


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Re: [gentoo-dev] Remove eclass/ChangeLog

[Michael Weber]

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On 05/20/2012 03:55 PM, Andreas K. Huettel wrote:
> Am Sonntag 20 Mai 2012, 15:30:45 schrieb Nirbheek Chauhan:
>> On Sun, May 20, 2012 at 6:55 PM, Michał Górny <mgorny@gentoo.org>
>> wrote:
>>> I will repeat once again: autogenerate them.
>> 
>> +1 for this, seriously.

+1 and consider profiles/**/package.mask, too.

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Remove eclass/ChangeLog

[Fabio Erculiani]

On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 11:01 AM, Michael Weber <xmw@gentoo.org> wrote:
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> On 05/20/2012 03:55 PM, Andreas K. Huettel wrote:
>> Am Sonntag 20 Mai 2012, 15:30:45 schrieb Nirbheek Chauhan:
>>> On Sun, May 20, 2012 at 6:55 PM, Michał Górny <mgorny@gentoo.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>> I will repeat once again: autogenerate them.
>>>
>>> +1 for this, seriously.
>
> +1 and consider profiles/**/package.mask, too.

and how about getting rid of echangelog and just have it autogenerated as well?
Or even better, how about giving up with cvs once for all?

>
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> - --
> Gentoo Dev
> http://xmw.de/
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Git migration (2012) (Was: Re: [gentoo-dev] Remove eclass/ChangeLog)

[Pacho Ramos]

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El mar, 22-05-2012 a las 11:22 +0200, Fabio Erculiani escribió:
> On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 11:01 AM, Michael Weber <xmw@gentoo.org> wrote:
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> > On 05/20/2012 03:55 PM, Andreas K. Huettel wrote:
> >> Am Sonntag 20 Mai 2012, 15:30:45 schrieb Nirbheek Chauhan:
> >>> On Sun, May 20, 2012 at 6:55 PM, Michał Górny <mgorny@gentoo.org>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>> I will repeat once again: autogenerate them.
> >>>
> >>> +1 for this, seriously.
> >
> > +1 and consider profiles/**/package.mask, too.
> 
> and how about getting rid of echangelog and just have it autogenerated as well?
> Or even better, how about giving up with cvs once for all?
> 

Regarding migration to git, I think some people where working on it, but
there were some pending problems preventing the migration:
https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=333531

there, you can see the blockers, the problem is that most of them are
stalled :|, if you (or anybody) could take care of them... 



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Re: Git migration (2012) (Was: Re: [gentoo-dev] Remove eclass/ChangeLog)

[Dirkjan Ochtman]

On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 11:35 AM, Pacho Ramos <pacho@gentoo.org> wrote:
> Regarding migration to git, I think some people where working on it, but
> there were some pending problems preventing the migration:
> https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=333531
>
> there, you can see the blockers, the problem is that most of them are
> stalled :|, if you (or anybody) could take care of them...

ISTM things like bug 333697 (partial checkout support) and 333699
(git-cvsserver, so that holdouts can still commit through CVS?)
shouldn't block the migration... they're just nice-to-haves.

Cheers,

Dirkjan

Re: [gentoo-dev] Remove eclass/ChangeLog

[Markos Chandras]

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On 05/20/2012 02:30 PM, Nirbheek Chauhan wrote:
> On Sun, May 20, 2012 at 6:55 PM, Michał Górny <mgorny@gentoo.org>
> wrote:
>> On Sun, 20 May 2012 15:33:11 +0300 Samuli Suominen
>> <ssuominen@gentoo.org> wrote:
>> 
>>> ChangeLog entries missing for every autotools.eclass
>>> modification today.
>> 
>> I will repeat once again: autogenerate them.
>> 
> 
> +1 for this, seriously.
> 
Who will do it? Infra? Maybe we should ask them first?

- -- 
Regards,
Markos Chandras / Gentoo Linux Developer / Key ID: B4AFF2C2
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Remove eclass/ChangeLog

[hasufell]

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On 05/20/2012 03:25 PM, Michał Górny wrote:
> On Sun, 20 May 2012 15:33:11 +0300 Samuli Suominen
> <ssuominen@gentoo.org> wrote:
> 
>> ChangeLog entries missing for every autotools.eclass
>> modification today.
> 
> I will repeat once again: autogenerate them.
> 

+1

I think it is nice to be able to use a different changelog entry than
commit message, but autogenerated entries would be more consistent.

Having ChangeLog files at all is just a convenience, but an important
one imo. It's the quickest way to track down sudden breakage.

scm comments are _not_ the same as a single file holding information
on all changes to an entire directory.


As for the given case I demand that the missing ChangeLog entries will
be added now by vapier, cause it seems they have already caused
breakage: #417265
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Remove eclass/ChangeLog

[Ian Stakenvicius]

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On 23/05/12 03:23 PM, hasufell wrote:
> On 05/20/2012 03:25 PM, Michał Górny wrote:
>> On Sun, 20 May 2012 15:33:11 +0300 Samuli Suominen 
>> <ssuominen@gentoo.org> wrote:
> 
>>> ChangeLog entries missing for every autotools.eclass 
>>> modification today.
> 
>> I will repeat once again: autogenerate them.
> 
> 


Isn't one of the reasons the changelog is there, is so that eclass
changes can be committed with repoman and (with the newer repoman) the
- -m comment will automatically be added to the ChangeLog ??


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Re: [gentoo-dev] Remove eclass/ChangeLog (was: Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in eclass: autotools.eclass)

[Alec Warner]

On Sun, May 20, 2012 at 2:33 PM, Samuli Suominen <ssuominen@gentoo.org> wrote:
> ChangeLog entries missing for every autotools.eclass modification today.

I'm sure spankman would make them if his tools did it for him, RIGHT SPANK?

-A

>
> On 05/20/2012 03:31 PM, Mike Frysinger (vapier) wrote:
>>
>> vapier      12/05/20 12:31:33
>>
>>   Modified:             autotools.eclass
>>   Log:
>>   we don't use anything from eutils eclass now, so drop the inherit
>>
>> Revision  Changes    Path
>> 1.134                eclass/autotools.eclass
>>
>> file :
>> http://sources.gentoo.org/viewvc.cgi/gentoo-x86/eclass/autotools.eclass?rev=1.134&view=markup
>> plain:
>> http://sources.gentoo.org/viewvc.cgi/gentoo-x86/eclass/autotools.eclass?rev=1.134&content-type=text/plain
>> diff :
>> http://sources.gentoo.org/viewvc.cgi/gentoo-x86/eclass/autotools.eclass?r1=1.133&r2=1.134
>>
>> Index: autotools.eclass
>> ===================================================================
>> RCS file: /var/cvsroot/gentoo-x86/eclass/autotools.eclass,v
>> retrieving revision 1.133
>> retrieving revision 1.134
>> diff -u -r1.133 -r1.134
>> --- autotools.eclass    20 May 2012 10:39:45 -0000      1.133
>> +++ autotools.eclass    20 May 2012 12:31:32 -0000      1.134
>> @@ -1,6 +1,6 @@
>>  # Copyright 1999-2012 Gentoo Foundation
>>  # Distributed under the terms of the GNU General Public License v2
>> -# $Header: /var/cvsroot/gentoo-x86/eclass/autotools.eclass,v 1.133
>> 2012/05/20 10:39:45 vapier Exp $
>> +# $Header: /var/cvsroot/gentoo-x86/eclass/autotools.eclass,v 1.134
>> 2012/05/20 12:31:32 vapier Exp $
>>
>>  # @ECLASS: autotools.eclass
>>  # @MAINTAINER:
>> @@ -16,7 +16,7 @@
>>  if [[ ${___ECLASS_ONCE_AUTOTOOLS} != "recur -_+^+_- spank" ]] ; then
>>  ___ECLASS_ONCE_AUTOTOOLS="recur -_+^+_- spank"
>>
>> -inherit eutils libtool
>> +inherit libtool
>>
>>  # @ECLASS-VARIABLE: WANT_AUTOCONF
>>  # @DESCRIPTION:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>

[gentoo-dev] Re: Remove eclass/ChangeLog (was: Re: [gentoo-commits] gentoo-x86 commit in eclass: autotools.eclass)

[Ryan Hill]

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On Sun, 20 May 2012 15:33:11 +0300
Samuli Suominen <ssuominen@gentoo.org> wrote:

> ChangeLog entries missing for every autotools.eclass modification today.
> 
> On 05/20/2012 03:31 PM, Mike Frysinger (vapier) wrote:
> > vapier      12/05/20 12:31:33

One person doesn't do entries.  OMG let's remove it!


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Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Remove eclass/ChangeLog

[Samuli Suominen]

On 05/23/2012 05:36 AM, Ryan Hill wrote:
> On Sun, 20 May 2012 15:33:11 +0300
> Samuli Suominen<ssuominen@gentoo.org>  wrote:
>
>> ChangeLog entries missing for every autotools.eclass modification today.
>>
>> On 05/20/2012 03:31 PM, Mike Frysinger (vapier) wrote:
>>> vapier      12/05/20 12:31:33
>
> One person doesn't do entries.  OMG let's remove it!
>
>

absolutely because inconsitency renderess the file useless

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Remove eclass/ChangeLog

[Rich Freeman]

On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 4:02 AM, Samuli Suominen <ssuominen@gentoo.org> wrote:
> On 05/23/2012 05:36 AM, Ryan Hill wrote:
>> One person doesn't do entries.  OMG let's remove it!
>>
>
> absolutely because inconsitency renderess the file useless
>

Well, for now the solution is to enforce following policy.

For the future, perhaps the policy's time has ended.  Sure, Changelogs
can be handy, but they are increasingly redundant and scm comments
have the potential to be far more useful.  By all means require
meaningful scm commit comments, but if Changelog files are holding us
back either auto-generate them or ditch them.

And, to add my own to cents to this chain about the only thing worse
than failing to directly inherit an eclass dependency is to break the
tree fixing the problem on personal initiative.  When a dev messes up
the solution is to talk to them or if necessary talk to devrel/QA -
not to break end-user systems.

Rich

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Remove eclass/ChangeLog

[Michał Górny]

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On Wed, 23 May 2012 12:29:34 -0400
Rich Freeman <rich0@gentoo.org> wrote:

> On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 4:02 AM, Samuli Suominen
> <ssuominen@gentoo.org> wrote:
> > On 05/23/2012 05:36 AM, Ryan Hill wrote:
> >> One person doesn't do entries.  OMG let's remove it!
> >>
> >
> > absolutely because inconsitency renderess the file useless
> >
> 
> Well, for now the solution is to enforce following policy.
> 
> For the future, perhaps the policy's time has ended.  Sure, Changelogs
> can be handy, but they are increasingly redundant and scm comments
> have the potential to be far more useful.  By all means require
> meaningful scm commit comments, but if Changelog files are holding us
> back either auto-generate them or ditch them.

ChangeLogs could be fine for ebuilds. But for more broad cases like
eclasses, one can usually have a set of changes prepared for commit.
With CVS, it's PITA but with git it's already much better. Of course,
it all fails if every commit has to update a randomly changed, shared
file called ChangeLog...

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Best regards,
Michał Górny

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Remove eclass/ChangeLog

[Markos Chandras]

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On 05/23/2012 05:46 PM, Michał Górny wrote:
> On Wed, 23 May 2012 12:29:34 -0400 Rich Freeman <rich0@gentoo.org>
> wrote:
> 
>> On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 4:02 AM, Samuli Suominen 
>> <ssuominen@gentoo.org> wrote:
>>> On 05/23/2012 05:36 AM, Ryan Hill wrote:
>>>> One person doesn't do entries.  OMG let's remove it!
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> absolutely because inconsitency renderess the file useless
>>> 
>> 
>> Well, for now the solution is to enforce following policy.
>> 
>> For the future, perhaps the policy's time has ended.  Sure,
>> Changelogs can be handy, but they are increasingly redundant and
>> scm comments have the potential to be far more useful.  By all
>> means require meaningful scm commit comments, but if Changelog
>> files are holding us back either auto-generate them or ditch
>> them.
> 
> ChangeLogs could be fine for ebuilds. But for more broad cases
> like eclasses, one can usually have a set of changes prepared for
> commit. With CVS, it's PITA but with git it's already much better.
> Of course, it all fails if every commit has to update a randomly
> changed, shared file called ChangeLog...
> 

So we did we introduce changelogs for eclass/ in the first place if
everyone is happy with getting rid of them?

- -- 
Regards,
Markos Chandras / Gentoo Linux Developer / Key ID: B4AFF2C2
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[gentoo-dev] Re: Remove eclass/ChangeLog

[Ryan Hill]

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On Wed, 23 May 2012 11:02:58 +0300
Samuli Suominen <ssuominen@gentoo.org> wrote:

> On 05/23/2012 05:36 AM, Ryan Hill wrote:

> > One person doesn't do entries.  OMG let's remove it!

> absolutely because inconsitency renderess the file useless

Perfect is the enemy of good enough.  Stuck in a cabin for the weekend
without cvs access, it was handy enough for me.

When we switch to git 4-8 years from now, then yes, kill it.  Until then,
leave it alone please.


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