From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1SJhEh-0007Eo-D5 for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Mon, 16 Apr 2012 08:24:35 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 0F4E3E0E66; Mon, 16 Apr 2012 08:24:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B35E8E0BF9 for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2012 08:23:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [10.169.38.243] (212-226-74-50-nat.elisa-mobile.fi [212.226.74.50]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: ssuominen) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id C4F711B407C for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2012 08:23:45 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <4F8BD6BE.9030002@gentoo.org> Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 11:22:22 +0300 From: Samuli Suominen User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:11.0) Gecko/20120406 Thunderbird/11.0.1 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] USE=gui? References: <1334041139.25951.7.camel@belkin4> <4F83DD50.5000803@gentoo.org> <20120416101102.6de21e5c@pomiocik.lan> In-Reply-To: <20120416101102.6de21e5c@pomiocik.lan> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Archives-Salt: 68b60f9f-967d-43c7-9887-d1535c0beff2 X-Archives-Hash: e0e955fd6f2723e59684f2a1cb3c4ab1 On 04/16/2012 11:11 AM, Micha=C5=82 G=C3=B3rny wrote: > On Tue, 10 Apr 2012 09:12:16 +0200 > ""Pawe=C5=82 Hajdan, Jr."" wrote: > >> On 4/10/12 8:58 AM, Pacho Ramos wrote: >>> Other option would be to enable "wxwidgets" by default for that >>> profiles. >> >> I prefer this. Changing USE flag meaning in a counter-intuitive way >> (to let "gtk" mean "wxwidgets") would seem frustrating to me. >> >> With "wxwidgets" enabled by default people will get the most likely >> desired result (i.e. GUI) "out of the box", and setting >> USE=3D"-wxwidgets" will have desired effect. >> >> Note that with USE=3D"gtk" really meaning USE=3D"wxwidgets", -wxwidget= s >> would have no effect on such a package, which is the potentially >> surprising behavior I mentioned earlier. > > On the other hand, we should ask ourselves whether the USE flags are > very intuitive right now. > > Say, we have USE=3Dssl which enables SSL support. We already agreed > that's the correct meaning of it, and USE=3Dgnutls,openssl,nss are just > to be used when there's more than one implementation to choose from. USE=3Dssl is also meaning OpenSSL and there should be no USE=3Dopenssl > > Shouldn't we have USE=3Dgui in a similar fashion? Most of the devs > probably prefer the way 'I want GUI only if it's using my favorite > toolkit'. But users OTOH may prefer saying 'I want GUI in this app, no > matter what it uses'. > > This would probably handle the wxwidgets case most correct, having it > under USE=3Dgui or similar. > -1, this would only add inconsistency / complexity to tree with packages=20 having multiple graphical toolkits to pick from should be kept the way it is - Samuli