From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1SD3Mb-0003as-7q for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Thu, 29 Mar 2012 00:37:17 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 0076DE0EBA; Thu, 29 Mar 2012 00:36:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-yw0-f53.google.com (mail-yw0-f53.google.com [209.85.213.53]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38BC4E0E9F for ; Thu, 29 Mar 2012 00:35:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: by yhjj72 with SMTP id j72so1422542yhj.40 for ; Wed, 28 Mar 2012 17:35:43 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=zYpjTflEKF8CHwSU7z8z9SdEF0DLU1x6ghNNTAKsX5s=; b=dm3jhwhIit1k1XY6Nnv87/ZcXWTQPT1Xq9LGtl6+G4tPjAzq+DBVDvSbqfD7T8BioU +euWZ0cwXDawb74ETHIn6bVWIOZ+zKHXA+H1/YmIowJWxM07BtB+gEAwvheTuwr1e0/i /XFc08Tddd3Csc6HiUHRKa4Op/TpP/ZORpJcdp26BKWn4nEDWqO+vLQRyGwBJo3ux/ia hA2fpMZQfWNpqgaDc026wsjdS6OZ8fsxqQPo5KB+DZBpg/322Wo2mZH225VLjPxbbctm eEd/NZge1kvq3pdvx5WaGas0Mea508LdcV/7Wrg0PuqLkg47fKw0h3mfCoGFcmu9vecb gUQQ== Received: by 10.236.178.102 with SMTP id e66mr32652951yhm.30.1332981343718; Wed, 28 Mar 2012 17:35:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.5] (adsl-98-95-214-242.jan.bellsouth.net. [98.95.214.242]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id k35sm6042125ani.3.2012.03.28.17.35.41 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 28 Mar 2012 17:35:42 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4F73AE5C.8030200@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2012 19:35:40 -0500 From: Dale User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:11.0) Gecko/20120325 Firefox/11.0 SeaMonkey/2.8 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] About suggesting to create a separate partition for portage tree in handbook References: <20337.28987.736877.961717@a1i15.kph.uni-mainz.de> <20120327154239.GA17394@gentoo.org> <1332870540.18466.9.camel@belkin4> <20120328152708.4ab19be7@angelstorm> In-Reply-To: <20120328152708.4ab19be7@angelstorm> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: 91bc323f-e0cb-4f70-bffa-9e0be80f0569 X-Archives-Hash: 1df41c56dd2e9d2747d11857c060ed36 Joshua Saddler wrote: > On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 19:49:00 +0200 > Pacho Ramos wrote: > >> Hello >> >> I am a bit surprised handbook still doesn't suggest people to >> create a separate partition for /usr/portage tree. I remember my >> first Gentoo systems had it inside / and that lead to a lot of >> fragmentation, much slower "emerge -pvuDN world" (I benchmarked it >> when I changed my partitioning scheme to put /usr/portage) separate >> and a lot of disk space lost (I remember portage tree reached >> around 3 GB of disk space while I am now running with 300MB) >> >> Could handbook suggest people to put /usr/portage on a different >> partition then? The only doubt I have is what filesystem would be >> better for it, in my case I am using reiserfs with tail enabled, >> but maybe you have other different setups. >> >> Thanks for discussing this :) > > not gonna happen, for reasons that SwifT & others already mentioned. > this is the sort of non-simple, non-trivial text/info/instructions > that would be better suited to an "optimizing your FS layout" article > on the gentoo wiki, or similar. Well, way back when I first installed Gentoo, I actually read some before I even started. I learned through all that reading that /, /boot, /home, /usr, /usr/portage and /var are best on their own partition. Each of those are for different reasons. The root partition is obvious, I would hope anyway. ;-) The boot partitions comes in handy if you don't automount it or have more than one distro installed. Home is obvious. People recommended /usr because it could a) be mounted read only and b) it can be enlarged if needed since it tends to grow a lot. Portage since it is tons of small files and tends to fragment a lot. The var partition is so that if some error message repeats itself overnight and fills up the partition it at least doesn't lock up the whole system. I actually had this one happen to me once. For some reason, even logrotate didn't catch it, tar up and delete the old ones. I woke up to a mess that only going to single user would fix. The best thing I did was to have /var on its own partition. When people are planning to install Gentoo and they have not done at least some research, I think they should get to keep the pieces. Installing Gentoo is not something to do on a whim. It should be planned and thought through even if the person is completely new to Gentoo. I read up for at least a month before ever even starting. I agree with having a simple manual for the folks that want to install just to look and then have a separate manual, wiki even, for more serious set ups. This can include things like RAID, LVM and having more than a couple partitions. Of course, Gentoo is almost endless in options. Back to my hole. Dale :-) :-) -- I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or how you interpreted my words! Miss the compile output? Hint: EMERGE_DEFAULT_OPTS="--quiet-build=n"